[Updated] Theresa May is new UK PM

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Kursk

The referendum has liberated politics and the ensuing mayhem is a good thing.

The referendum has put politics into the gutter. The level of dishonesty used to win that referendum was unprecedented in my lifetime, and the fallout and recriminations from it have been ghastly.

We're all quite used to hyperbole and bending of truth, there was plenty of that from both sides. We also received a constant stream of out and out bull poop from both sides though far more from one than the other, and it worked. That isn't liberation it's just bull poop.

Originally Posted by Kursk

We need to be forming the negotiation team and to be defining its parameters and making sure they reflect the majority decision.

We need to ensure they reflect the best way forward for the country. We are a representative democracy. Parliament are sovereign, always have been incidentally regardless of the lies we were told, and I believed, and it's their job to deliver the best possible result.

If we ran the country based on mob rule it'd be a disaster.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

What's most important now is to have a hard nosed team negotiating with the EU. People with backbone and experience. People who will get us the best deal. People who know how to play hardball. None of this half-hearted Cameron nonsense.

Just FYI Cameron's deal was actually a lot better than it at first appeared, regardless of the lies we were all told.

We do need people to do what they can. They don't have a strong hand so negotiating skills will be absolutely vital.

It should be mentioned that all that will be discussed for the 2 years are the terms of our exit from the EU. It's extremely likely that we won't even finish that negotiation let alone secure a deal for our relationship post-leaving. That will take a decade or more if we actually try to secure one.

I think a lot of people are expecting us to give Article 50 and come away within 2 years having negotiated a great trade deal. Not happening. There is an incredible amount of work that needs to be done in that 2 years, which is why the sane people in Parliament aren't in a hurry.

In the interim the best us grunts can do is get heads down and as we were

Naughty Naughty cable forum....tut tut....Open reach........Some one is in trouble.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The referendum has put politics into the gutter. The level of dishonesty used to win that referendum was unprecedented in my lifetime, and the fallout and recriminations from it have been ghastly.
yawn
We're all quite used to hyperbole and bending of truth, there was plenty of that from both sides. We also received a constant stream of out and out bull poop from both sides though far more from one than the other, and it worked. That isn't liberation it's just bull poop.

change the tune

We need to ensure they reflect the best way forward for the country. We are a representative democracy. Parliament are sovereign, always have been incidentally regardless of the lies we were told, and I believed, and it's their job to deliver the best possible result.

If we ran the country based on mob rule it'd be a disaster.

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boooooring
Just FYI Cameron's deal was actually a lot better than it at first appeared, regardless of the lies we were all told.

We do need people to do what they can. They don't have a strong hand so negotiating skills will be absolutely vital.

It should be mentioned that all that will be discussed for the 2 years are the terms of our exit from the EU. It's extremely likely that we won't even finish that negotiation let alone secure a deal for our relationship post-leaving. That will take a decade or more if we actually try to secure one.
zzzzzzzzzz
I think a lot of people are expecting us to give Article 50 and come away within 2 years having negotiated a great trade deal. Not happening. There is an incredible amount of work that needs to be done in that 2 years, which is why the sane people in Parliament aren't in a hurry.

In the interim the best us grunts can do is get heads down and as we were

i think being so cheerful is what keeps you going

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Osem

Many people said the same about Thatcher.

Did they? Whatever, performance and what the electorate think are key. Both of which have yet to be tested.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The referendum has put politics into the gutter. The level of dishonesty used to win that referendum was unprecedented in my lifetime, and the fallout and recriminations from it have been ghastly.

We're all quite used to hyperbole and bending of truth, there was plenty of that from both sides. We also received a constant stream of out and out bull poop from both sides though far more from one than the other, and it worked. That isn't liberation it's just bull poop.

The misinfomation prior to the vote is unforgivable. However, it failed to detract the majority from the overriding desire to govern our own Country and to have control of immigration.

I should have specified that the result of the referendum is liberating not all the palaver that led up to it.

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i think being so cheerful is what keeps you going

To be fair, I have heard worse

[techguyone]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

The referendum has put politics into the gutter. The level of dishonesty used to win that referendum was unprecedented in my lifetime, and the fallout and recriminations from it have been ghastly.

I actually think that what it has done is shown that Politics was already in the gutter, the Tories for example have been bitch slapping each other over Europe since the late 80's, and Labour doesn't know if it's Red, Pink or light blue. It just made what had been kept quiet, public.
This is a good thing.
Now that everyone's aware of just how crappy ALL of the parties are now quite frankly, then there's every chance that something good may come out of it in the future.

I much prefer openness over secrets anyday.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

and that's when the demise of the male of the species will begin ,we will be kept in a shed until breeding time

So thats Death by Snu Snu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCdrUW--Jic

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Did they? Whatever, performance and what the electorate think are key. Both of which have yet to be tested.

Being the first woman to achieve that position way back when women in politics were far fewer yes indeed many people, especially men, did - far more I reckon than doubt May who at least doesn't have that particular hurdle to overcome.

Which is why I stated - 'only time will tell'...

Anyway, it's probably not going to be long before 3 of the world's top 5 economies are being run by women and in the UK both major parties are being led by women. If this carries on it might not be too long before we need some positive discrimination in favour or men.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Did they? Whatever, performance and what the electorate think are key. Both of which have yet to be tested.



The misinfomation prior to the vote is unforgivable. However, it failed to detract the majority from the overriding desire to govern our own Country and to have control of immigration.

I should have specified that the result of the referendum is liberating not all the palaver that led up to it.



To be fair, I have heard worse

but have you heard it constantly repeated so often

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Sirius

So thats Death by Snu Snu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCdrUW--Jic

I wonder how many women think fellatio is an Italian footballer?

Originally Posted by papa smurf

but have you heard it constantly repeated so often

Careful papa, loose talk costs lives

[Osem]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I actually think that what it has done is shown that Politics was already in the gutter, the Tories for example have been bitch slapping each other over Europe since the late 80's, and Labour doesn't know if it's Red, Pink or light blue. It just made what had been kept quiet, public.
This is a good thing.
Now that everyone's aware of just how crappy ALL of the parties are now quite frankly, then there's every chance that something good may come out of it in the future.

I much prefer openness over secrets anyday.

It amazes me that anyone is really surprised at the tactics employed during this contest, the referendum (by both sides) or past elections. FGS when was an election ever won by a govt. which told the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? It's laughable. The referendum is far from a unique example of lies, spin, duplicity and anyone who calls its validity into question because of that ought to do likewise for every election in living memory I reckon. The lies have been told, the votes have been cast, the result is clear and we need to get on with the job.

Whilst we may see another spate of navel gazing and the usual accompanying media frenzy as a result of recent events, it won't be long before they're as quietly forgotten as all the fine sounding words issued following Jo Cox's murder and it'll be back to business...

[Gary L]

Dave is gone as early as Wednesday next week!!!

LOL just seen him on the news he comes out and waffles on a bit and then turns around and walks back where he came from a loser. even the news guy sniggered at the fool.

I said from the start that Dave would go down in history as the worst Prime Minister ever.
he killed the country. can't get any worse than that!

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Dave is gone as early as Wednesday next week!!!

LOL just seen him on the news he comes out and waffles on a bit and then turns around and walks back where he came from a loser. even the news guy sniggered at the fool.

I said from the start that Dave would go down in history as the worst Prime Minister ever.
he killed the country. can't get any worse than that!

this wednesday

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

this wednesday

OMG!!!

I've just won the lottery last Saturday too.
I wonder what the 3rd one will be?

George falling off a cliff?

If Anglea Eagle won the Labour leadership then both main party's in the commons will have a woman as their leader. You would also the same situation in the Scottish Parliament. UKIP could get a female leader as could the Greens. In theory all the party leaders at the next set of debates could be woman plus Tim Farron .

Originally Posted by Sirius

So thats Death by Snu Snu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCdrUW--Jic

Yes please

Originally Posted by Damien

If Anglea Eagle won the Labour leadership then both main party's in the commons will have a woman as their leader. You would also the same situation in the Scottish Parliament. UKIP could get a female leader as could the Greens. In theory all the party leaders at the next set of debates could be woman plus Tim Farron .

Angela Eagle a woman ,if you say so