"Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"

[Osem]

Originally Posted by punky

but hopefully jackets (preferably bring pink with pictures of penises on) will be made part of every future "agreement".

Nah, they should be reserved for Government ministers!

Seriously, there's probably some human rights legislation somewhere which will prevent anyone being so ridiculed, ******* or not.....

I'm sorry but since when did a criminal get a damn say in what their punishment should be and as for this individual if he gave half as much consideration to his victim as he gives to himself he may not have to wear any sort of jacket or be punished. This is really getting stupid and you know what i don't care how embarassed they might feel, i don't care if they are easy to see and know they are **** and i don't really care whatever damage comes from it for them.

Do the crime you do the time whatever that is or however a court dishes it out and if you don't like it or feel you might be embarassed then think before you act like the vast majority of us you peanut brained *******.

[Osem]

Just in case any of you were thinking prisoners only qualify for early release on the grounds of good behaviour etc., think again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8072591.stm

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....&in_page_id=34

Apparently this serial offender was involved in numerous incidents whilst banged up, including several involving violence and claims to a prison doctor that he would kill yet, having served 2/3 of his sentence, his release was mandatory!

Other serious failures within the 'system' then conspired to allow this total thug and his accomplice to progress to murder.

When are we going to get tough on these people? How many more people have to suffer at the hands of **** like this?

Heres an idea those people that are responsible for letting some of this **** out early take joint responsibility for anything they do once released i gaurantee you'll see less risky people released then. Having been described as liberal in another thread i am going to completely shatter that with my call again for those proven beyond guilt of murder to be executed i don't care if it isn't a general deterrent or not it will gaurantee one murderer can never do it again and thats good enough for me.

Where rehabilitation is a realistic possibility then fine although i would limit it to non or minor violent crime only and would never apply it to murder. Build more prisons so were not letting **** go early because we need the space and increase the sentences massively for violent crime and that will be a start.

[Dai]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Gets my vote

lol, mine too..

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Heres an idea those people that are responsible for letting some of this **** out early take joint responsibility for anything they do once released i gaurantee you'll see less risky people released then. Having been described as liberal in another thread i am going to completely shatter that with my call again for those proven beyond guilt of murder to be executed i don't care if it isn't a general deterrent or not it will gaurantee one murderer can never do it again and thats good enough for me.

Where rehabilitation is a realistic possibility then fine although i would limit it to non or minor violent crime only and would never apply it to murder. Build more prisons so were not letting **** go early because we need the space and increase the sentences massively for violent crime and that will be a start.

Trouble is, in the eyes of the trough snouters, it's not cost effective to build more prisons. It's much more cost effective to release the murderers into the community. Who knows there next victim might also be a benefit recipient. Lovely Jubbly even more to fill the trough with.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Osem

When are we going to get tough on these people? How many more people have to suffer at the hands of **** like this?

While not as bad as this case similar things happen far more frequently than you would think. 99% of cases never make the papers.

While prison isn't for everyone there are some people who don't have a hope in hell of ever being 'reformed' and without fail they get involved in crime, normally at a more serious level, within hours of getting out of pokey.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Derek S

While not as bad as this case similar things happen far more frequently than you would think. 99% of cases never make the papers.

While prison isn't for everyone there are some people who don't have a hope in hell of ever being 'reformed' and without fail they get involved in crime, normally at a more serious level, within hours of getting out of pokey.

I don't doubt any of that sadly!

Maybe it'd help if the sentence handed down was actually the sentence served. Why wouldn't it be - I mean you don't get away with paying 2/3 of your bills do you?

I reckon each time someone reoffends they ought to have any previous custodial sentences added on. That might focus a few minds but for those who carry on regardless at least it'd mean they're are out of harm's way for longer than is currently the case.

[Osem]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8136306.stm

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Osem

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8136306.stm

Mean while anyone not paying fines will be hunted down with the full force of the law.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Mean while anyone not paying fines will be hunted down with the full force of the law.

what you also have to understand is, its the people who drop litter and fag ends that are the real problem in our society

[Derek]

To be fair

"Of those recalled between 1999 and June 2008, just 0.7% of offenders have not been apprehended.

Some of these may have disappeared abroad or disappeared into a hole in the ground. Either way they haven't come to the attention of the Police since release/recall so it could be argued they are re-habilitated

Errgghh. I can't believe I'm sticking up for the Government. I feel dirty now

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Errgghh. I can't believe I'm sticking up for the Government. I feel dirty now

Where's the carbolic soap

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Where's the carbolic soap

I dropped it in the showers...

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The always excellent Inspector Gadget has his own take on it.

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/

There is absolutely no point in allowing prisoners to be released early and then being bewildered when they go on to commit more crime and run away to avoid going back inside.

[Osem]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...l-hostels.html

Some of those believed to have been released early or due for imminent release:

Muhedin Ali - jailed for seven years in February 2008; Hamid Elasmar and Mohammed Irfan - Irfan got four years while Elasmar served five months of a three years and four months sentence after trial, and is back at a council flat living on benefits; Adel Yahya - jailed for six years and nine months in November 2007; Abu Mansha - jailed for six years in January 2006 for plotting to kill Corporal Mark Byles; Abdul Rahman - jailed for six years in November 2007; Atilla Ahmet - admitted three charges of soliciting murder and sentenced to just under seven years in March 2008.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...soners-hostels

However, with an estimated 160 people convicted of terrorism offences inspired by al-Qaida currently residing in Britain's jails, there is growing pressure on the authorities to give details of how they intend to deal with convicted terrorists. While most are considered "minor" offenders, several convicted of more serious offences are due to be released soon. Andrew Rowe was given a seven-and-a-half year sentence after being caught with details of how to fire mortar bombs and secret codes to facilitate terror attacks. He is due to appear before the parole board within weeks.

A Ministry of Justice spokeswoman said anyone convicted of terrorist offences and sentenced to more than 12 months' imprisonment would be subject to probation supervision on release from prison.

Probation supervision? I'm sure that'll be effective.......