Virgin Media announces 50mb lines from next year. - Page 14

26-08-2008, 11:32

normal setting and I have had around 6-10 people on my connection b4 private and ranked matches

Nicosia · 26-08-2008, 12:06

i play ferrari challeng on the ps3 and tyr join rooms and host rooms for races but it keeps dropping connection from the rooms i barely managed to race for 5 seconds and it cut me off

SteevieNiteHeat · 26-08-2008, 12:22

I fail to see why I cannot host more than a 4-person game, I do not have any other internet programs running yet I still get people dropping out due to the lag.

Also when joining games others are hosting, the ping levels are small (80-150) but I still get a lag I am really fed up with it all

26-08-2008, 16:37

everythings perfect on my ps3 connection and i play wireless too, before i used to have problems then i changed the router channel from 11 to 6 and hey presto it works flawlessly apart from when cod4 server has problems

eth01 · 26-08-2008, 16:44

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Originally Posted by brummyuk

1.5 Mb upload ... I really hope they increase that to at least 10 Mb. Seriously I have an Xbox 360, and I play on Xbox Live. Hosting games is almost impossible for me, with only 768Kb upload, many people lag on my host.

Then it comes to unfair connection advantage. I will explain .... I run up to someone and shoot them in the back with my shotgun ( Gears of War ). Now because my upload speed is so slow, he turns around and sees me, shoots me and because his upload speed is better, his shot counts before mine.

All because his data can reach my Xbox before mine can reach his.

Its complete Bulls***!

VM sort your damn upload speed out .... PLEASE!

don't let people who talk utter nonsense make you believe something that isn't true.. wait and see IMO

Ignitionnet · 26-08-2008, 17:39

Don't let people who don't know make you disbelieve things that are true. The pilots in both Dudley and Huddersfield are 50Mbit downstream 1.5Mbit upstream. 1.5Mbit upstream is as of right now the upstream speed the product has soft-launched at.

EDIT: I have seen the modem profiles, 50 000 000 bits/second downstream, 1 536 000 bits/second upstream as I remember. Certainly either 1536k or 1500k.

As per usual eth01 care to supply some facts I know this is hard for you but bear with me, some facts to back up your statement that implies 1.5Mbps is incorrect. You are speaking like you know and disagreeing but your posts are generally heavy on opinion but very light on facts or any kind of evidence to back them up. It's amusing reading your constant assertions which you can never back up when challenged so if you'd like to break the trend please do.

So if you'd care to show some shred of proof that the 1.5Mbit upstream is inaccurate I'm sure we're all waiting with baited breath.

Apologies if I'm considered as 'trolling' and will make you disappear for a whole day again

eth01 · 26-08-2008, 18:06

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Originally Posted by Broadbandings

Don't let people who don't know make you disbelieve things that are true. The pilots in both Dudley and Huddersfield are 50Mbit downstream 1.5Mbit upstream. 1.5Mbit upstream is as of right now the upstream speed the product has soft-launched at.

EDIT: I have seen the modem profiles, 50 000 000 bits/second downstream, 1 536 000 bits/second upstream as I remember. Certainly either 1536k or 1500k.

As per usual eth01 care to supply some facts I know this is hard for you but bear with me, some facts to back up your statement that implies 1.5Mbps is incorrect. You are speaking like you know and disagreeing but your posts are generally heavy on opinion but very light on facts or any kind of evidence to back them up. It's amusing reading your constant assertions which you can never back up when challenged so if you'd like to break the trend please do.

So if you'd care to show some shred of proof that the 1.5Mbit upstream is inaccurate I'm sure we're all waiting with baited breath.

Apologies if I'm considered as 'trolling' and will make you disappear for a whole day again

my dinner was very nice. thank you.

Ignitionnet · 26-08-2008, 19:20

I'll take that as you just posted your opinion and can't back it up in any way as per usual so posted some random comment when called on it, thanks for illustrating my point once again so succinctly

brummyuk · 27-08-2008, 04:21

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Strange

None of the clan get that lag in cod4

No it is fine when there our just British people in the room, but people from many other countries play Xbox Live two and I just do not have the upload to support them as well.

Its so stupid because Americans can host fine and when I join most American hosts I do not lag one bit. WTF?????????

Horace · 27-08-2008, 06:56

Probably more to do with crappy routing than lack up upstream.

brummyuk · 27-08-2008, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Horace

Probably more to do with crappy routing than lack up upstream.

No it has something to do with upstream.

stevos · 28-08-2008, 20:42

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Originally Posted by brummyuk

No it has something to do with upstream.

im with Horace, i dont think upload is the problem, gaming online with american gamers has always been a bit more laggy.

brummyuk · 29-08-2008, 02:24

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Originally Posted by stevos

im with Horace, i dont think upload is the problem, gaming online with american gamers has always been a bit more laggy.

Yes, but that is because of the upload speed! Have you seen ComCast? 15Mb down and up. That is why when I join most Americans connections and I do not lag, but I do still get ********ted.

Like I explained. When I shoot someone in an online game I upload that information to the host! So lets say me and this guy shoot each other at the exact same time, his shot will count first because he uploaded the information to the host faster than I did.

768Kb is utter crap.

stevos · 29-08-2008, 07:30

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Originally Posted by brummyuk

Yes, but that is because of the upload speed! Have you seen ComCast? 15Mb down and up. That is why when I join most Americans connections and I do not lag, but I do still get ********ted.

Like I explained. When I shoot someone in an online game I upload that information to the host! So lets say me and this guy shoot each other at the exact same time, his shot will count first because he uploaded the information to the host faster than I did.

768Kb is utter crap.

fair enough, be prepared to wait a good few years until you get the same as americans or our european friends..

Ignitionnet · 29-08-2008, 14:39

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Originally Posted by brummyuk

Yes, but that is because of the upload speed! Have you seen ComCast? 15Mb down and up. That is why when I join most Americans connections and I do not lag, but I do still get ********ted

That's interesting as Comcast don't have a 15Mbit upstream product. Their tiers are, depending where you live:

6/1Mbit
8/1Mbit
8/2Mbit
16/2Mbit

And a very limited rollout of DOCSIS 3 at 50/5Mbit

With powerboost which allows a burst up to 30Mbit on downstream for the first few MB of a transfer.

Are you thinking of Verizon FiOS? Fibre to the home offering 20/20Mbit and 50/20Mbit as top tiers?

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Originally Posted by brummyuk

Like I explained. When I shoot someone in an online game I upload that information to the host! So lets say me and this guy shoot each other at the exact same time, his shot will count first because he uploaded the information to the host faster than I did.

Nope, the way queuing works on cable means that when you shoot your upstream transfer will take the same amount of time in transmission as someone on 10Mbit upstream as the amount of data is so small and it can fit into a single upstream transmit opportunity.

Bandwidth and latency are two different things, gaming is governed by latency rather than bandwidth in most cases. To upload a couple of hundred bytes to a game server over cable takes the same amount of time whether you have 768kbit/s upstream or 7.68Mbyte/s upstream as it's such a small amount of data.

On cable your upload limit governs how many slots of upstream you can have in a certain period, while you stay under your bandwidth limit there is no need for the uBR at VM to limit your upstream transmission so you get the same delay on transmission as someone else regardless of their cable's bandwidth.

Whatever the issue is with your lag it's most certainly not a shortage of bandwidth. Bandwidth is how wide the pipe is, latency is how long it takes data to travel down that pipe.

Example:

10Mbit cable:

Modem 'Hi I'm on 10Mbit, I want upstream for 200 bytes'
uBR 'Hey how's it going, sure here you go, you have been allocated x upstream slots at y time'
Modem at y time 'Here's my data, cheers'
uBR 'Sweet, note to self, this modem has enough slots left this second for another 9.95Mbit'

768kbit cable

Modem 'Hi I'm on 768kbit, I want upstream for 200 bytes'
uBR 'Hey how's it going, sure here you go, you have been allocated x upstream slots at y time'
Modem at y time 'Here's my data, cheers'
uBR 'Sweet, note to self, this modem has enough slots left this second for another 718kbit'

The only thing that will affect this latency is how busy the upstream channel is which changes how long the modem has to wait for 'y' time. All modems get the full upstream channel for a few microseconds to transmit their data, so whatever the speed your modem is capped at all cable modems will transmit at the same speed when they get their slots, be they 200kbit or 2Mbit upstream.