All F1 2005 Discussions - Page 14

sherer · 21-06-2005, 18:50

i posted a link to planet-f1.com which mentions that as well... what you have to remember is that this involves Ferrari so it's ok to change the rules.. remember 99 i think where they were banned because their barge boards were too big and then when they were measured again it was all ok

don't forget Ferrari are the only team signed up from 08 and beyond as well

bucketbakereturn · 21-06-2005, 19:59

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle...toryID=8853933

........ didn't take long did it.

AndrewJ · 21-06-2005, 20:13

Not bad, would have been quicker if they was not ruled to only have certain thickness shoes while leaving the arena after being checked for dual pockets, and banned for cigarette advertisment.

21-06-2005, 22:48

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Originally Posted by bucketbakereturn

http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle...toryID=8853933

........ didn't take long did it.

Can't really blame them IMO, I would have been well ****ed off if I had have gone myself...

sherer · 22-06-2005, 10:24

what gets me is in any normal country you would just complain to the FIA, Indy etc and get a refund.. in the US it has to be a lawsuit.. that means paying lawyers plus all the court costs that have to be paid by taxes etc.. surely this should be thrown out they should be told to complain through the normal channels which i'm sure these people probably didn't.. it's just the typically US i'll sue mentatity

MovedGoalPosts · 22-06-2005, 11:08

I strongly suspect they did complain, and loudly, at the time to anyone that would listen. But since everyone is blaming everyone, noone is going to willingly stump up the cash. Court action was inevitable.

Paul K · 29-06-2005, 14:54

Well the verdict of the totally un-biased hearing is in
Guilty

Quote:

FIA president Max Mosley told a news conference: "There were five charges against the teams.

"The first of these were to be sure they were in possession of suitable tyres, and they were found guilty of that, but with strongly mitigating circumstances.

"They were accused of wrongfully refusing to start the race, found guilty of that.

They were found not guilty of refusing to race subject to a speed limit, because there was no plan in place.

"They have also been found not guilty of conspiring to make a demonstration because they satisfied the World Council.

"They were found not guilty of failing to tell the stewards."

There was no reference to whether the hearing panel had assessed whether Mosley was right to prevent a plan to race following the insertion of a chicane.

29-06-2005, 15:18

good old max...and to think he was considering resighning a few years ago, what does everyone think will happen???

paulyoung666 · 29-06-2005, 15:42

hi and

to the site , i reckon they will get a fine and that will be the end of it

sherer · 29-06-2005, 19:03

yeah the FIA have said the penalty has been delayed so the teams look into paying a fine back to the fans.. once that has been done the FIA will review it and just give another small fine

29-06-2005, 19:55

This is pathetic, they dont race because of a safety issue and face a fine?

If they had have raced and killed a fan for example what would the implications of that had been?

This will surely cause a revolt / shake up, and about bloody time too! Get the fat cats out of this sport and get some one in to run it who is not just in it for the money.

my

andygrif · 30-06-2005, 00:38

Can't really argue with you Tuftus. The FIA are guilty of being unsportsmanlike....and me in my court finds them guilty.

The penalty is Max and Bernie have to wear pit babes' outfits and sweep the tracks on their hands and knees with a toothbrush after the next race - while Jim Rosenthall spanks their semi-naked behinds with strips of Michelin tyres. Oh dear, it's all starting again....DOCTOR!

Graham · 30-06-2005, 03:11

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Originally Posted by blackpoolgran

good old max...and to think he was considering resighning a few years ago, what does everyone think will happen???

Frankly I think this is the beginning of the end for F1 in its current state.

It has become too unwieldy, there is too much politics and too much money and too many people trying to pull it in different directions.

It needs a complete overhaul otherwise it will fall apart as teams consider defecting to the "A1 racing" series.

sherer · 30-06-2005, 10:26

not sure if anyone has heard this yet..

The only tyre warmers you are allowed blankets with restistive heaters according to the FIA rules

Ferrari have developed a new system whereby the tyre blankets are now housed inside a box with restistive heaters.. this box heates up the tyres plus the wheel rim and is effectively a tyre oven, which is banned.. this new system has led to Ferrari being more competitive as they can now get heat into their tyres and qualify at the front of the grid

Now the FIA are always going on about cost cutting etc so when they saw this whether it was legal or not they knew if they allowed each every team will then have to develope these as well, therefore increasing costs.. what they could have done is said yes it is legel but we will ban it to save costs and you can use your old tyre blankets, this has been done in the past

Instead the FIA ( Ferrari International Aid ) allowed this system and all the other teams will now have to do the same

andygrif · 30-06-2005, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Graham

Frankly I think this is the beginning of the end for F1 in its current state.

It has become too unwieldy, there is too much politics and too much money and too many people trying to pull it in different directions.

It needs a complete overhaul otherwise it will fall apart as teams consider defecting to the "A1 racing" series.

I wish the teams (all pretty much agreed apart from Ferrari of course) would just get on with their new formula, and stop talking about it. This will put an end to the silliness that prevails in F1 today.