[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

Originally Posted by Chris

Weighting is very tricky without a reference sample. There hasn't been a referendum like this before.

True but the polls will use the same 'likely to vote' measurement the Telegraph is using for that article. I am not sure how exactly they're doing any other weighting but I imagine it's from the last General Election.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I've decided to vote leave.

It's better we control our own rules, even if it cost years of suffering.

.....and I really don't think it will

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Well the Irish had to vote again because they couldn't get it right. It'll be the same here for sure.

One step at a time

[Osem]

There's no way that we're going to vote out and be asked again. That would set off WWIII

Originally Posted by Osem

What, these astute individuals aren't worried about the UK being turned into an economic wasteland if we dare to leave the warm and cuddly, benevolent and almost maternal protection offered by the EU? That wouldn't do their investments much good would it...

Of course not..they are just laundering their ill gotten gains and do so through shell companies and off shore havens..They will sell up when circumstances suit.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Of course not..they are just laundering their ill gotten gains and do so through shell companies and off shore havens..They will sell up when circumstances suit.

... and if we're reduced to a banana republic as predicted by Messrs All & Sundry, there'll be no gains only spectacular losses.

Originally Posted by Osem

... and if we're reduced to a banana republic as predicted by Messrs All & Sundry, there'll be no gains only spectacular losses.

Frankly I pay IDS,Gove,Boris etc very little mind and Cameron and Osborne only a teensy fraction more. Neither you or them have given me any useful info on which I can rely..just hyperbole and ranting.

Maggy there is so much personal belief in this issue that what motivates many of us in our choice of vote may not translate to you hence my saying that each person must find their own reason for whatever way they may vote. Being honest the lack of any real substance to help those who are undecided leaves me feeling that in or out little will really change but neither side wants to say that hence the fear mongering and provocative but ultimately empty rhetoric.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Hom3r View Post
I've decided to vote leave.

It's better we control our own rules, even if it cost years of suffering.

I'm glad to hear it hom3r. let's hope there are more like you as we approach the big day.

As to your post, it won't happen. True, you may get a technical recession where things go awry for 2 quarters but then it will sort itself out. There is bound to be some uncertainty whether we stay or leave. The reason I say 'may' is the EU need us to buy their stuff and I think may be only too willing to give us a good trade deal unlike other countries who may not by their goods and services as much as we do.

[papa smurf]

EXCLUSIVE: David Cameron's EU sham exposed: Leaked letter reveals PM hatched anti-Brexit plot ... while still telling voters he could campaign to leave



A pact between David Cameron and big business to scare Britain into staying in the EU was exposed last night.
A leaked letter suggests the Prime Minister was plotting with a multinational firm on how to hammer home the Remain case while still claiming he was prepared to campaign to leave.
He had been telling the Commons that he ‘ruled nothing out’ unless he won concessions from the EU.

Labour’s Gisela Stuart, a Leave campaigner, accused the PM of being ‘knee deep’ in conspiracy. Serco has multi-billion-pound contracts with the Government.
Tory MP Steve Baker said: ‘This is proof that big corporates are being asked to gang up on hard-working British families to try to bully them into staying in the EU.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz48tJvf1T7
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[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

EXCLUSIVE: David Cameron's EU sham exposed: Leaked letter reveals PM hatched anti-Brexit plot ... while still telling voters he could campaign to leave



A pact between David Cameron and big business to scare Britain into staying in the EU was exposed last night.
A leaked letter suggests the Prime Minister was plotting with a multinational firm on how to hammer home the Remain case while still claiming he was prepared to campaign to leave.
He had been telling the Commons that he ‘ruled nothing out’ unless he won concessions from the EU.

Labour’s Gisela Stuart, a Leave campaigner, accused the PM of being ‘knee deep’ in conspiracy. Serco has multi-billion-pound contracts with the Government.
Tory MP Steve Baker said: ‘This is proof that big corporates are being asked to gang up on hard-working British families to try to bully them into staying in the EU.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz48tJvf1T7
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Of course, there are Remainers who will say the source is biased but I quote from a biased source too and it usually backs me up - The Torygraph.

Yes the Early paper review touched on this at 5.45 this morning on BBC News but so far nothing has been said on the main News. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if he's involved in a conspiracy. The Leave Campaign have been saying all weekend that the Corporate World are trying to scare us into a Remain vote and that kind of backs it up. We all know what Afroman says about the Corporate World at the end of his song Cus I Got High?

[heero_yuy]

Seems the corporate world are not all singing from Dave's songsheet:

More than 300 business leaders have called for the UK to vote to leave the EU, saying red tape "stifles" the country's businesses and Brexit would create more jobs.

They hit back at senior voices lining up behind the Government in favour of a vote to remain in the EU, saying the UK's membership is undermining its competitiveness.

Signatories to letter, published in The Daily Telegraph, include Superdrug founder Peter Goldstein, former Sony Europe vice president Steve Dowdle, the former chairman of British American Tobacco Sir Patrick Sheehy and Goldman Sachs managing director David Sismey.

Hundreds of others from small and medium-sized businesses also signed the letter.

They said: "Britain is the fifth biggest economy in the world and, on current projections, will overtake Germany to become Europe's powerhouse.

Linky

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Seems the corporate world are not all singing from Dave's songsheet:



Linky

Some context on some of these "business leaders":

Pro-Brexit bosses include retirees and tax avoidance experts

Business figures who signed an open letter supporting Brexit include tax avoidance specialists, dozens of retirees and the publisher of a book about Ukip introduced by Nigel Farage.

The list of more than 300 people also includes the bosses of dormant companies and a law firm that admits leaving the European Union could lead to a repeal of workers’ rights.

One signatory is John Kersey, managing director of Preston hair salon Kersey Hairdressing, a business with net assets of £313.

The list also includes the bosses of a clutch of firms with a history of facilitating tax avoidance. Robert Hiscox, honorary president of Hiscox Insurance, has been an outspoken defender of tax avoidance, having moved his company to Bermuda to slash its tax bill.

Fellow signatory Martin Bellamy is the chairman and chief executive of Salamanca Group, which advertises “dynastic estate-planning” for “ultra-high net worth families”. It offers advice on ways on offshore trusts and foreign investments for those keen on “passing wealth or holding wealth for the next generation” or those who want to keep their affairs “outside the public domain”.

Salamanca also boasts of setting up offshore employee benefit trusts, a tax-efficient means of paying staff that the Treasury has said it wants to crack down on.

Another signatory, Clive Thorne, is a partner at Wedlake Bell, a law firm that offers “imaginative” tax-planning strategies for business “both onshore and offshore”. In an article on the company’s website, the firm admits that leaving the EU could result in a raft of workers’ rights being abolished.

“A number of key employment rights derive from EU legislation, in particular those relating to equal opportunities, holiday and working time. A departure from the EU could allow such legislation to be weakened or even repealed,” the article says.

[Gavin78]

That is where I see it. if these smaller countries have been doing trade with the UK and need our trade then it could go one or 2 ways these smaller countries might pull out of the EU if the UK were to leave so that business as usual could still be done or they could cut ties with us and trade elsewhere that is if they have the time to do this or even possible.

the EU setting a load of red tape in order to stop the UK trading if we leave is only going to add more strain onto the EU. I personally think the EU wouldn't want this and trade would still continue.

I'm sure they wouldn't want to disrupt the "status quo" on trade

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Frankly I pay IDS,Gove,Boris etc very little mind and Cameron and Osborne only a teensy fraction more. Neither you or them have given me any useful info on which I can rely..just hyperbole and ranting.

I linked you to some decent info a few pages back iirc

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Frankly I pay IDS,Gove,Boris etc very little mind and Cameron and Osborne only a teensy fraction more. Neither you or them have given me any useful info on which I can rely..just hyperbole and ranting.

Then why don't you just vote as I suggested using your gut instinct. That'd be sensible given you clearly believe you have been given no facts and only have hyperbole and ranting to go on. One of the few benefits of age is experience so now's the time to really use it.