[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by Chris

Actually leaving the Euro would have been so catastrophic that it would have to have been planned and executed just like that.

I still think they should have done it.

I do, it would've led to a breakup of the EU without a referendum.

[Osem]

I'm wondering what all this fear about us leaving is doing to all those pesky billionaires who're buying up chunks of London. They don't seem to have been too worried about the risk of us leaving in the last few years do they.

Originally Posted by Osem

I'm wondering what all this fear about us leaving is doing to all those pesky billionaires who're buying up chunks of London. They don't seem to have been too worried about the risk of us leaving in the last few years do they.

Well as quite a few of them aren't residents of the EU being from Russia,China and Eastern Europe I guess they aren't..

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Osem

I'm wondering what all this fear about us leaving is doing to all those pesky billionaires who're buying up chunks of London. They don't seem to have been too worried about the risk of us leaving in the last few years do they.

Because they realise the risk of us leaving is close to zero. Brits are mad, but not that mad.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well as quite a few of them aren't residents of the EU being from Russia,China and Eastern Europe I guess they aren't..

What, these astute individuals aren't worried about the UK being turned into an economic wasteland if we dare to leave the warm and cuddly, benevolent and almost maternal protection offered by the EU? That wouldn't do their investments much good would it...

[Big Brian]

EU referendum: Brexit campaign has the edge, says Telegraph poll


Supporters of Brexit are more likely to vote in the forthcoming referendum which could give the Leave campaign a decisive edge in the final result, a new Telegraph poll suggests.


Analysis of the survey by Sir Lynton Crosby shows that voters who want Britain to leave the European Union are more motivated than those who say they are in favour of staying in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...n-in-June.html

[Gavin78]

If leaving the EU is so catastrophic to the world we know from all these doom givers then why in gods earth did Cameron even put it to the vote?

Without any doubt they must have already had models in place on the outcome should we leave long before he even suggested it to the public.

I'm even sure when he started this EU reform he already knew he wasn't going to get what he suggested and has now started this hate campaign against his own people.

Desperate times call for desperate measures and he's been pulling in favours all over the world.

The EU to me is "buy cheap, buy twice" kind of deal I for one would certainly like to see us leave better now than in 30 years time when the EU is at war with itself

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Gavin78

If leaving the EU is so catastrophic to the world we know from all these doom givers then why in gods earth did Cameron even put it to the vote?

He had no choice. It was the only way to neutralise UKIP and stop other swivel eyed loons in his own party from leaving. He's postponing the inevitable though. He just needed to win the election and worry about the consequences of his 'promises' later. Later, like Camerons time, has now come. He may 'win' this referendum; but it's goodbye from Dave thank God.

[Hom3r]

I've decided to vote leave.

It's better we control our own rules, even if it cost years of suffering.

One aspect of all this I loathe is the name calling both sides and some of their supporters are indulging in whether your going to vote in or out doesn't warrant name calling because of your belief and along with the fear mongering has made this referendum far more unpleasant then it needed to be. I know in this day and age social divide is preferred by many for different reasons and whatever the outcome of the vote both sides need to state facts and reality to try and keep the nation as united as possible. Whatever the result I hope it's a clear choice as both sides will be calling for another vote if it's too close.

[heero_yuy]

Well the Irish had to vote again because they couldn't get it right. It'll be the same here for sure.

I have to be honest the Irish situation should have been a warning for everyone as clearly there is only one way in the EU, their way and you'll be harassed until you see it their way. Not a tactic that will work so well in the UK though if the margin for leave is over 5% it's a dead issue and making us do multiple votes will only increase that margin as more will get angry. As I've said this is a personal belief vote and nobody is wrong in how they vote if it's truly what they believe and shouldn't be insulted because of it. I think if nothing else this referendum has also highlighted how poor our political class is and that in or out the people of the UK deserve better then what we currently have.

Originally Posted by Osem

What, these astute individuals aren't worried about the UK being turned into an economic wasteland if we dare to leave the warm and cuddly, benevolent and almost maternal protection offered by the EU? That wouldn't do their investments much good would it...

The type of homes these people buy probably won't be at risk short of a war that levels London. They don't care. The uber rich, several orders magnitude more than 'peer of the realm' rich, live in a completely different world.

Originally Posted by Big Brian

EU referendum: Brexit campaign has the edge, says Telegraph poll


Supporters of Brexit are more likely to vote in the forthcoming referendum which could give the Leave campaign a decisive edge in the final result, a new Telegraph poll suggests.


Analysis of the survey by Sir Lynton Crosby shows that voters who want Britain to leave the European Union are more motivated than those who say they are in favour of staying in.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...n-in-June.html

Polls already weight for likely voting.

Weighting is very tricky without a reference sample. There hasn't been a referendum like this before.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

The type of homes these people buy probably won't be at risk short of a war that levels London. They don't care. The uber rich, several orders magnitude more than 'peer of the realm' rich, live in a completely different world.

One of the reasons many of these people get so rich is because they do care about their wealth and investments, very much.

I know when I bought my last penthouse in Belgravia I thought long and hard about it I can tell you.

Anyway, if we do leave and the UK is reduced to a second rate economy perhaps that'll help reverse the flow of migrants.