[Merged] Manchester Proxies. - Page 13

Chrysalis · 21-03-2004, 04:16

not sure what it is but it isnt my ubr, otherwise first hop would be high, I can also tracert to other locations fine with much lower pings then that, all I know is I get abysmal proxy performance on top of having problems with having to refresh pages, I keep going on about it because its annoying hearing again and again that the proxies are not to blame for people's problems.

Florence · 21-03-2004, 10:20

I have just completed a tracert and will now do one a day for a week..

things working quite well today so suppose this will be a good one..

Quote:

Tracing route to cache1-mant.server.ntli.net [62.252.192.4]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 10.11.32.1
2 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms oldh-t2cam1-b-ge-wan51-120.inet.ntl.com [80.5.16
4.209]
3 10 ms 20 ms 10 ms mant-t2core-b-ge-wan64.inet.ntl.com [213.104.242
.181]
4 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms cache1-mant.server.ntli.net [62.252.192.4]

Trace complete.

Will see how they change over a few weeks. I notice I havent been below 10ms so anyone with lower ms are on better proxies than me..

Why do I go to Oldham then back to Manchester...

Ignition · 21-03-2004, 10:39

OK.

Kitty just to remind you pings are nothing at all to do with proxies they deal exclusively with web traffic not ICMP. Also if you are using Windows 2000 it tends to report sub-10ms pings as 10ms.

Oldham them Manchester? Network segmentation and best practise, spreading of load in Manchester throughout core rather than shoving everyone through the same (slightly lower spec) t2cams then to the higher spec t2cores, could be other reasons as well, distance of fibre run, arrangement of metro-net, etc.

I think some massive confusion is here people are forgetting that there are two distinct sets of cache in Manchester, Manchester Central (I think

) and Manchester Transit. One has 4 caches the other has 10, and it's perfectly possible that those on manc-t2cores have transparent caching disabled while those on mant-t2cores do not, and vice-versa.

Florence · 21-03-2004, 10:52

Ok you have to know manchester to realise why I asked why Oldham.. To get to Oldham via road its a long way round as there is a river between my home and the shortest route to Oldham. All the roads round me are closer to Manchester so if all NTLs cables are laid via road I am diverted miles out to come back.....

There is a large country park with river medlock flowing through the shortest road I know hasn't got NTls cables along it as a friend who lives on the farm on it can't have NTL and there are only three homes along that road in the valley..

Correct me if I am wrong but if you are sent the longest way round will that not slow down your internet connection.

Ignition · 21-03-2004, 11:00

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Originally Posted by Kitty

Ok you have to know manchester to realise why I asked why Oldham.. To get to Oldham via road its a long way round as there is a river between my home and the shortest route to Oldham. All the roads round me are closer to Manchester so if all NTLs cables are laid via road I am diverted miles out to come back.....

There is a large country park with river medlock flowing through the shortest road I know hasn't got NTls cables along it as a friend who lives on the farm on it can't have NTL and there are only three homes along that road in the valley..

Correct me if I am wrong but if you are sent the longest way round will that not slow down your internet connection.

At the speed of light a few miles extra doesn't make much difference

Not really my thing but if I have time I'll test all 14

of them Monday morning using http://www.numion.org/YourSpeed/

Please note This is not a definitive bandwidth test, my own DSL at home doesn't get anywhere near 1Mbit on this test, but on their other Maxspeed test achieves 120+k/s! before a load of people begin running this religiously and then complain cos they are only getting 3 - 400kbit/s on it :p

For a raw speed test this is much more accurate: http://www.numion.org/MaxSpeed/index.html

Martin · 21-03-2004, 11:01

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Originally Posted by Bill C

I think i should be upset

I have not had any of the problems you all say your having. Why have i been left out its not fair :pp

I am on the south manchester cache here in warrington

I haven't had a great deal of probs either. Some sites haven't been responding but have when i specified a proxy, but there haven't been many. Just watch now i have said that something will happen. lol

Florence · 21-03-2004, 11:03

Come on Bill C and Martin share your proxies with us so we can test them

Florence · 21-03-2004, 11:04

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

At the speed of light a few miles extra doesn't make much difference

My son is using fedora will treacert the proxy from his pc next time see if it comes below 10ms

Ignition · 21-03-2004, 11:08

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Originally Posted by Kitty

My son is using fedora will treacert the proxy from his pc next time see if it comes below 10ms

The speed of light = 299,792,458 m / s

Also don't confuse latency with bandwidth, a few ms here and there won't make any difference to browsing or gaming. For gaming a steadier stable latency is much more important, for browsing a responsive and wide burst of bandwidth on demand.

I have to say I actually miss cable, web pages were pretty much universally instant - maybe I was one of the lucky ones

21-03-2004, 11:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitty

Come on Bill C and Martin share your proxies with us so we can test them

I just have auto detect proxy set honest

It was this last time i looked -----> cache2-bagu.server.ntli.net

You watch you all change to it and it will go slow

th'engineer · 21-03-2004, 11:33

Bill working up here allright now no problems whatsoever so am going to keep quiet.

21-03-2004, 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by th'engineer

Bill working up here allright now no problems whatsoever so am going to keep quiet.

Thats a first

Stuartbe · 21-03-2004, 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

The speed of light = 299,792,458 m / s

Also don't confuse latency with bandwidth, a few ms here and there won't make any difference to browsing or gaming. For gaming a steadier stable latency is much more important, for browsing a responsive and wide burst of bandwidth on demand.

I have to say I actually miss cable, web pages were pretty much universally instant - maybe I was one of the lucky ones

JustAnotherN00b is giving sage advice... The ping times to my local proxy servers are very low but they run like slugs. The ping times to watford servers and other areas are very high but I get a faster connection from there. You cant tell the speed of the proxy from its ping times !

th'engineer · 21-03-2004, 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill C

Thats a first

Honest

Florence · 21-03-2004, 11:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill C

I just have auto detect proxy set honest

It was this last time i looked -----> cache2-bagu.server.ntli.net

You watch you all change to it and it will go slow

knew you would tell me next time I get timed out I am jumping ship to yours bet its no further than Oldham for me.....