Speed Increases 1st June - 2meg to 4meg - Page 13

sav112 · 06-05-2006, 16:03

I just went back as well to 1mb. The offer has made me think more about keeping NTL although the phone I have never gets used as the BT and mobile are my main phones and the cable TV (that is up stairs)has got less and less on it as im only on the basic package plus it keeps loosing its sound which my mate says is being done to cause people to go to digital.... in his view. well its annoying anyway.

so i might go to this 4mb and get rid of the phone and TV.

chocky909 · 07-05-2006, 16:30

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Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

I just got an email from NTl with free up from 2MB to 4Mb. It says subject to User Policy. I clicked the User Policy link but it doesn't refer to 4MB so I can't tell if it's capped or not. 2MB's not capped though.

As far as I know, the 'User Policy' is just a fallback for unlimited tariffs. It means that they might act on a user if they throttle the top speed continuously 24/7/365. I'm sure it's available on the website and will make an entertaining read if you've got a spare hour or two.

Frankly I think people should be allowed to leave a connection running at full speed 24/7 if their tariff is described as 'unlimited'. Of course the fact this affects other 'lighter' users should be reflected in the price of this tariff.

Realise that the internet is becoming a real medium in transferring media and entertainment, both legal and illegal. Streaming and downloading whole files is going to get become more and more widespread and, in a few years time, I can see many people having thier media streamed PC playing on their 40" LCD TVs playing streamed or downloaded HD content all day long like people leave their TVs and radios on all day. This is going to cause problems to ISPs concerned about people 'maximising' their connections for long periods.

hatedbythemail · 07-05-2006, 17:14

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Originally Posted by chocky909

As far as I know, the 'User Policy' is just a fallback for unlimited tariffs. It means that they might act on a user if they throttle the top speed continuously 24/7/365. I'm sure it's available on the website and will make an entertaining read if you've got a spare hour or two.

Frankly I think people should be allowed to leave a connection running at full speed 24/7 if their tariff is described as 'unlimited'. Of course the fact this affects other 'lighter' users should be reflected in the price of this tariff.

Realise that the internet is becoming a real medium in transferring media and entertainment, both legal and illegal. Streaming and downloading whole files is going to get become more and more widespread and, in a few years time, I can see many people having thier media streamed PC playing on their 40" LCD TVs playing streamed or downloaded HD content all day long like people leave their TVs and radios on all day. This is going to cause problems to ISPs concerned about people 'maximising' their connections for long periods.

thanks.i was just confused because they put a link to the user policy but it didn't have the 4mb on it! it is unlimited subject to the usual. see what its like when i get it i guess.

Daneel · 09-05-2006, 13:29

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Originally Posted by homealone

Aha 170,000 complaints from a customer base which now approaches 5 million punters - that is 0.03% approximately, absolutely massive

Maybe my brain isn't working today as no one else has pointed it out, but it seems to me that 170,000 complaints from 5 million customers is 3.4% not 0.03%.

09-05-2006, 13:48

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Originally Posted by Daneel

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Originally Posted by homealone

Aha 170,000 complaints from a customer base which now approaches 5 million punters - that is 0.03% approximately, absolutely massive

Maybe my brain isn't working today as no one else has pointed it out, but it seems to me that 170,000 complaints from 5 million customers is 3.4% not 0.03%.

twas a slip of the digit, it was actually 1700 complaints

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04..._ntl_customer/

- which is 0.034% of 5 million.

- well spotted, though

Locky · 09-05-2006, 14:41

it aint realy that much...

Rone · 09-05-2006, 17:57

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Originally Posted by Locky

it aint realy that much...

True, just the ones who realise they do have a problem.

hatedbythemail · 09-05-2006, 18:37

i wish they'd reduce contention ratios then voip might be worth a go

James Henry · 09-05-2006, 20:35

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Originally Posted by hatedbythemail

i wish they'd reduce contention ratios then voip might be worth a go

Not even ntl themselves know what contention ratio they are running, varies from area to area, street to street, there's no target contention ratio and it changes depending on your package anyway.

kronas · 09-05-2006, 20:48

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Originally Posted by James Henry

Not even ntl themselves know what contention ratio they are running, varies from area to area, street to street, there's no target contention ratio and it changes depending on your package anyway.

they used to advertise it as 20:1

James Henry · 09-05-2006, 20:50

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Originally Posted by kronas

they used to advertise it as 20:1

I vaguely remember mention of 15:1 somewhere and 20:1 in Northern Ireland.

No chance of that now, besides you've different contention ratio upstream and downstream and 10Mbit customers have rather unpleasant sounding ratios

Gridlocked · 09-05-2006, 20:52

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Originally Posted by chocky909

As far as I know, the 'User Policy' is just a fallback for unlimited tariffs. It means that they might act on a user if they throttle the top speed continuously 24/7/365. I'm sure it's available on the website and will make an entertaining read if you've got a spare hour or two.

Frankly I think people should be allowed to leave a connection running at full speed 24/7 if their tariff is described as 'unlimited'. Of course the fact this affects other 'lighter' users should be reflected in the price of this tariff.

Realise that the internet is becoming a real medium in transferring media and entertainment, both legal and illegal. Streaming and downloading whole files is going to get become more and more widespread and, in a few years time, I can see many people having thier media streamed PC playing on their 40" LCD TVs playing streamed or downloaded HD content all day long like people leave their TVs and radios on all day. This is going to cause problems to ISPs concerned about people 'maximising' their connections for long periods.

I agree and this is why i think you will see that ntl have a better structure to do this on than BT's dated system.

James Henry · 09-05-2006, 22:28

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Originally Posted by Gridlocked

I agree and this is why i think you will see that ntl have a better structure to do this on than BT's dated system.

That entirely depends, what do you describe as being BT's dated system, the core networks that transport the data or the exchanges, both of which are undergoing huge upgrades at present?

If you're referring to that last mile of copper it could be said you're wrong there as well, as the last mile on DSL isn't shared, only the bandwidth from the exchange is.

However in theory ntl should be able to offer the better options, so long as they tend and upgrade their network appropriately. At the moment ntl certainly aren't capable of offering that sort of scale of VoD due to the limitations of their network at present. No guarantee of upgrades happening though, BT have money to spend ntl don't.

Chrysalis · 09-05-2006, 22:44

ntl current setup is worse then BT from what I know.

the virtual pipes in bt exchanges after the redesign I believe are much larger then the 27mbit ubrs that ntl uses.

James Henry · 09-05-2006, 23:49

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

ntl current setup is worse then BT from what I know.

the virtual pipes in bt exchanges after the redesign I believe are much larger then the 27mbit ubrs that ntl uses.

Not really, and you're comparing apples and oranges there.