[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[pip08456]

I voted against staying in the common market back in '75 (we joined in '73) and will vote to come out if we ever get a referendum.

[Osem]

I never minded being in the common market but never envisaged it'd turn into a bloated 'superstate' * run by faceless suits and career politicians with their snouts in the euro-trough. Thank the lord we stayed out of the Euro.

* it's anything but 'super'...

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

I never minded being in the common market but never envisaged it'd turn into a bloated 'superstate' * run by faceless suits and career politicians with their snouts in the euro-trough. Thank the lord we stayed out of the Euro.

* it's anything but 'super'...

The same doom sayers that said it would be a disaster to stay out of the Euro are the same doom sayers that say it would be a disaster to leave the EU.

Big industrialists who's only priority is their fat salaries and a never ending flow of cheap foreign labour to keep wages depressed.

They have no interest in the lives of normal people who's communities are being overrun by immigrants.

[TheDaddy]

Dave's plan to stay in leaked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-revealed.html

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Dave's plan to stay in leaked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-revealed.html

So nothing about unrestrained immigration from within the EU. Pah! The rest of the EU will only give "concessions" if they're confident that they can still do what they want by other means.

Originally Posted by Kelvin MacKenzie

DOES anybody honestly believe that the “yes” endorsement from John “nice peas Norma” Major, Tony “I must kill Iraqis for my CV” Blair and Gordon “ten ways to bankrupt a nation” Brown will do anything except make a “no” vote a racing certainty?

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[Osem]

I can't see any realistic option except getting out of this madness before it's too late. They won't compromise and when their ship is sinking they'll still be rearranging the deckchairs deluding themselves that it'll all be OK...

[denphone]

Well its seems one of the Prime Ministers supporters thinks very differently to some who want us out of the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34502343

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...uart-Rose.html

[heero_yuy]

I don't know where Rose gets his £450 worth of benefits from the EU seeing as it's costing us £10's of billions net to be a member. He also calls leaving a "leap in the dark" and then says it will cost families £thousands. If it's in the dark then he cannot make that silly prediction. Nail hit squarely on the thumb.

No substance to the "IN" campaign just supposition and scare mongering. How long will it be before they start peddling the lie about 3 million jobs depending upon our membership of the EU when in fact those jobs only depend upon us trading with the EU and that's not going to change substantially whether we're in or out.

Far better to trade with the world that's growing than be shackeld to the dead EU corpse that's flatlined.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by denphone

Well its seems one of the Prime Ministers supporters thinks very differently to some who want us out of the EU.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34502343

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...uart-Rose.html

Shame all he appears to have to say consists of the same thinly veiled insults on 'Little Englanders' about how those who want out are inward-looking, which is ridiculous given the EU is, by design, inward-looking, and the usual scaremongery about imminent disaster in the case of Brexit.

Perhaps if they could provide a positive case for membership, one that doesn't use dubious stats from an organisation that said we'd be in huge trouble if we didn't join the Euro, or a case that doesn't operate on the absurd assumption that the other members of the EU will immediately break WTO rules alongside cutting their own throats by putting up huge tariffs and barriers to trade with the UK I could pay more attention.

As it is same old nonsense. I am increasingly feeling like the reason there has been no robust, positive case offered is simply because there is no robust, positive case for continued membership of the EU.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Dave's plan to stay in leaked

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-revealed.html

"leaked"?

[Osem]

Does anyone think the chaos in the EU strengthens our position with respect to the current 'negotiations' or an inevitable distraction from them which could result in a stronger 'out' vote'? Although I've pretty much decided we need to get out, if we were going to stay in I'd prefer to do so with significant changes and would hate to think that we'd be left with the worst possible outcome which would be to remain in an unreformed EU carrying on regardless...

[nashville]

I believe the situation we have just now will help people to decide and vote NO, The EU is just a pure mess and where all these people are going to go is just madness, We need to get out .

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Osem

Does anyone think the chaos in the EU strengthens our position with respect to the current 'negotiations'

Given the response from the EU seems to be that the way to resolve the issues is more Europe no, not in the slightest.

The solution to every problem is always closer integration it seems.

I'm remembering the first referendum..and I'm pretty sure that TPTB have their fingers crossed behind their backs.We were lied to then and I suspect we will be lied to again.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I'm remembering the first referendum..and I'm pretty sure that TPTB have their fingers crossed behind their backs.We were lied to then and I suspect we will be lied to again.

We went into a 'common market' and are now in (albeit not the Euro) a doomed superstate project. I just hope enough people can see that because, whilst leaving will create significant problems, staying in will be far worse. How many more crises does the EU have to create and mishandle before people say 'enough!'?