Gay couple claim they were ejected from pub for kissing

Actually, I agree with you about over-reactions and over-emoting (on both sides of the discussion/argument), but would also point out from the OP link

Lucy Clements, a 27-year-old production manager, and Jamie Morton, neither of whom know Bull or Williams, were sitting at the next table and witnessed the events. Clements said: "I was totally shocked. Dumbfounded really. From a pub in the middle of Soho you just don't expect it."

She added that "no one seemed to mind apart from this one man". She said she spoke to bar staff who confirmed the man who raised the first objections was the landlord, before both she and Morton were also asked to leave.

I could also ask why, if the gay couple were leaving, they were thrown out?

Personally I'm all for shrugging off other's poor attitudes and old fashioned thinking.In my case there were plenty of other pubs to go to and I didn't ever need to return to the armpit I was thrown out of.

Same goes for bed and breakfasts,hotels,nightclubs,restaurants,cinemas and anywhere else that people congregate for entertainment.Why go down the road of official complaint when a word of mouth boycott is all that's needed.

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Personally I'm all for shrugging off other's poor attitudes and old fashioned thinking.In my case there were plenty of other pubs to go to and I didn't ever need to return to the armpit I was thrown out of.

Same goes for bed and breakfasts,hotels,nightclubs,restaurants,cinemas and anywhere else that people congregate for entertainment.Why go down the road of official complaint when a word of mouth boycott is all that's needed.

thing for me though is how much better is it really now? No discipline? gangs? kids with knives gun crime? How much better is society for the liberalisation of our culture? I know there was always crime but there was an element of respect and I find that lacking in this day and age. Are not attitudes worse in some ways now than they used to be? Ok homosexuality used to be illegal but you used to have tighter community

[Kymmy]

Actually homosexuality was not illegal in this country.

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Actually homosexuality was not illegal in this country.

I think it was Kymmy ,the sexual offences act decriminalised it in 1967

The Sexual Offences Act 1967 is an Act of Parliament in the United Kingdom (citation 1967 c. 60). It decriminalised homosexual acts in private between two men, both of whom had to have attained the age of 21. The Act applied only to England and Wales and did not cover the Merchant Navy or the Armed Forces. Homosexuality was not decriminalised in Scotland until passage of the Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 1980 and in Northern Ireland by the Homosexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 1982.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_Act_1967

[Kymmy]

It decriminalised sodomy which was originally illegal for hetrosexual couple the same as homosexual couple, in 1885 it was reclassified to just between two men. Homosexual intercourse was never illegal otherwise it would have also legislated against women and good old Queen Victoria could never imagine that two women would want to have sex. Also homosexuality is the attraction and not the sexual act. So homosexuality was never illegal in this country

Originally Posted by Zing

thing for me though is how much better is it really now? No discipline? gangs? kids with knives gun crime? How much better is society for the liberalisation of our culture? I know there was always crime but there was an element of respect and I find that lacking in this day and age. Are not attitudes worse in some ways now than they used to be? Ok homosexuality used to be illegal but you used to have tighter community

I don't know Zing.

However I suspect that for every good issue in the 40s,50s and 60s there were some equally awful ones.Yes commuinities might have been tighter but there was no reliable contraception,backstreet abortionists,homosexuals were in danger of imprisonment and the divorce laws were draconian and not easy to obtain and racial and sexual equality were not enshrined in law..
Rose coloured specs can make things look better than they were.

The only thing I can say was better then was childhood.Kids could climb trees,skin their knees get dirty and be away from home for hours unsupervised and they didn't get into trouble with the law.

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

It decriminalised sodomy which was originally illegal for hetrosexual couple the same as homosexual couple, in 1885 it was reclassified to just between two men. Homosexual intercourse was never illegal otherwise it would have also legislated against women and good old Queen Victoria could never imagine that two women would want to have sex. Also homosexuality is the attraction and not the sexual act. So homosexuality was never illegal in this country

It was illegal.Yes lesbianism was not because Vick didn't believe it possible(being thoroughly and firmly heterosexual in nature)so that bit was never law.The other was..and many people were prosecuted as a result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_Act_1967

[Ignitionnet]

In many ways we've liberalised but in many other ways we've gone the opposite way. Here's hoping it's just a temporary imbalance and we find an appropriate medium.

At the moment we are, without a doubt, far too far in the opposite direction to the past. Everyone too busy demanding what they see as their rights to bother to simply get on with life, brush off relatively minor obstacles and carry on. Relatively few taking responsibility as too busy demanding what they think they're entitled to.

On that note having just had a rather delicious Italian meal washed down with a very pleasing white wine and followed up with dessert wine and beer after I'm going to chill

Originally Posted by Kymmy

It decriminalised sodomy which was originally illegal for hetrosexual couple the same as homosexual couple, in 1885 it was reclassified to just between two men. Homosexual intercourse was never illegal otherwise it would have also legislated against women and good old Queen Victoria could never imagine that two women would want to have sex. Also homosexuality is the attraction and not the sexual act. So homosexuality was never illegal in this country

tecnically i suppose that's correct but in fact the act decriminalised "homosexual acts in private" which would include sodomy but not exclusively

[F2(a)a homosexual act in private shall not be an offence provided that the parties consent thereto and have attained the age of [F3sixteen] years][F2and

(b)a homosexual act by any person shall not be an offence if he is under the age of sixteen years and the other party has attained that age.]

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1967/60

you are correct about homosexuality being the description not the act and a clear distinction should really be made that it was homosexual acts that where illegal not being homosexual

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

It decriminalised sodomy which was originally illegal for hetrosexual couple the same as homosexual couple, in 1885 it was reclassified to just between two men. Homosexual intercourse was never illegal otherwise it would have also legislated against women and good old Queen Victoria could never imagine that two women would want to have sex. Also homosexuality is the attraction and not the sexual act. So homosexuality was never illegal in this country

To be fair isn't that the sort of nit-picking atheists accuse Christians of when we say the Bible has nothing against gays, only gay sex?

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

In many ways we've liberalised but in many other ways we've gone the opposite way. Here's hoping it's just a temporary imbalance and we find an appropriate medium.

At the moment we are, without a doubt, far too far in the opposite direction to the past. Everyone too busy demanding what they see as their rights to bother to simply get on with life, brush off relatively minor obstacles and carry on. Relatively few taking responsibility as too busy demanding what they think they're entitled to.

On that note having just had a rather delicious Italian meal washed down with a very pleasing white wine and followed up with dessert wine and beer after I'm going to chill

Oh dear! The sky is falling.We agree again.

[Mick The Gwailo]

Oh lordy !!...

If a man and woman were "kissing" in a pub, and HE had his hand
up her skirt while SHE had her hand inside his jeans, wouldn't THEY
be evicted from the pub, too ?!? ... apparently/allegedly ... these
two homosexuals were doing FAR MORE than just "kissing", hence
they were asked to leave for breaking that pubs "Rules Of Cinduct",
no ? ? ?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Russ

To be fair isn't that the sort of nit-picking atheists accuse Christians of when we say the Bible has nothing against gays, only gay sex?

The bible says gay sex is a sin. God loves all sinners. some Christians can cure sinners.

by getting them to talk to God, I think.

[Mr_love_monkey]

Originally Posted by Mick The Gwailo

... apparently/allegedly ... these
two homosexuals were doing FAR MORE than just "kissing"

any evidence to back that up?

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I don't know Zing.

However I suspect that for every good issue in the 40s,50s and 60s there were some equally awful ones.Yes commuinities might have been tighter but there was no reliable contraception,backstreet abortionists,homosexuals were in danger of imprisonment and the divorce laws were draconian and not easy to obtain and racial and sexual equality were not enshrined in law..
Rose coloured specs can make things look better than they were.

The only thing I can say was better then was childhood.Kids could climb trees,skin their knees get dirty and be away from home for hours unsupervised and they didn't get into trouble with the law.

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It was illegal.Yes lesbianism was not because Vick didn't believe it possible(being thoroughly and firmly heterosexual in nature)so that bit was never law.The other was..and many people were prosecuted as a result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_Offences_Act_1967

well and I know I am going to get flamed here but abortion is far to easy to get nowadays. I will never ever agree that abortion is ever right when used as contraception IE morning after pill and I will never agree that abortion is right for women who just caught by mistake. Spread your legs with no protection you made the choice you should bare the consequences its murder in my eyes.The only time I my opinion is a bit different is where health is at risk

The back street abortions were due to society not accepting single women getting pregnant I do think the change there is good except for those who do it to get housed and benefit

Well marriage is a contract and being a victim of a cheating woman who got away scott free maybe divorce should be harder to get now

Well you only have to see the influx of immigrants and how soft this country is for me I think racial equality although fair should not mean those native to this country have less rights in certain situations than those who were either born abroad or are children of those born abroad.

I know my views will be distasteful to some but I am honest and not afraid to voice my opinion