Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing - Page 13

cook1984 · 22-10-2008, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Toto

No, remember that part of the evidence gathering process is to take some or all of the file from an IP address. Flooding a torrent request with fake IP's doesn't work because you wouldn't be able to get evidence from it.

Depends, Media Defender and others were just using IP addresses. AFAIK no further evidence has ever been produced in a UK court.

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The methods used by the BPI mean that they can produce file evidence because they have collected it, which means they have connected to the peer.

How do they prove it was you though, and not someone else in the family or someone using your wifi connection? I work in a computer shop and we get people coming in all the time saying that they use someone else's wifi.

Keep in mind that even if it's someone you allowed to use your connection, you are still not guilty. It's like if someone borrows your car and gets snapped by a speed camera - they get the points, not you.

**Hugh** · 22-10-2008, 18:43

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

Be careful what you wish for.....

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Originally Posted by Nugget

Absolutely - have you still got that 12-inch pianist?

No - but I wasn't happy when I went down that slide and shouted "Weeeeeeeee!".

Toto · 22-10-2008, 18:54

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Originally Posted by cook1984

How do they prove it was you though, and not someone else in the family or someone using your wifi connection? I work in a computer shop and we get people coming in all the time saying that they use someone else's wifi.

Keep in mind that even if it's someone you allowed to use your connection, you are still not guilty. It's like if someone borrows your car and gets snapped by a speed camera - they get the points, not you.

This subject matter has been discussed to death. I think its a given that until a court case happens we may never know how good an unsecured Wifi defence is,or whether the account holder and not the user is responsible..

We've provided you with some very sound advice, don't ignore the letter, get legal help or lick your wounds and pay up, its your choice.

dev · 22-10-2008, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Toto

This subject matter has been discussed to death. I think its a given that until a court case happens we may never know how good an unsecured Wifi defence is,or whether the account holder and not the user is responsible..

We've provided you with some very sound advice, don't ignore the letter, get legal help or lick your wounds and pay up, its your choice.

i expect the unsecured defence won't work at all, unless you can point the finger elsewhere. Saying someone else did it is just as bad as saying 'i didnt do it'. It's the reasons why ISPs aren't sued, they can point out who actually did it, or, who is responsible for the offending IP.

Bonglet · 22-10-2008, 20:07

O rly? lets drag up the old cloned modem adage up again heres a quote taken from one of the most popular cloner sites.

"newmalden mac swap
Postby alebastra on Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:47 pm
ubr15, new malden, nmal.ubr15, blueyonder. anyone?"

Loads more quotes like that if anyone wants more.
Now with any of this evidence produced can vm state 100% that someone else cannot be stealth using someone elses connection?.
Then you have people with unblocked wif-fi even wi-fi hackers where does it all lead to.

piggy · 22-10-2008, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Toto

This subject matter has been discussed to death. I think its a given that until a court case happens we may never know how good an unsecured Wifi defence is,or whether the account holder and not the user is responsible..

We've provided you with some very sound advice, don't ignore the letter, get legal help or lick your wounds and pay up, its your choice.

good advice

cook1984 · 23-10-2008, 00:14

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Originally Posted by Toto

This subject matter has been discussed to death. I think its a given that until a court case happens we may never know how good an unsecured Wifi defence is,or whether the account holder and not the user is responsible..

Does anyone want to prove this with me? Set up a case demanding Ã‚Â£1 for infringement of copyright, argue the wifi defence and see what happens?

Seriously, I'm up for it. I'll even be the accused. Make a test case to force the issue. It seems like the only way we will ever put a stop to this.

AppleSauce · 23-10-2008, 13:46

I actually know someone who received one of these BPI letters last week.

piggy · 23-10-2008, 16:19

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Originally Posted by cook1984

Does anyone want to prove this with me? Set up a case demanding Ã‚Â£1 for infringement of copyright, argue the wifi defence and see what happens?

Seriously, I'm up for it. I'll even be the accused. Make a test case to force the issue. It seems like the only way we will ever put a stop to this.

i thought you were the accused

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...l#post34658625

is it me??

cook1984 · 24-10-2008, 23:00

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Originally Posted by piggy

i thought you were the accused

I have been accused in the past, but they always drop the claims when I write back to them.

What I mean is, I'd like it to actually go to court so a president can be set.

Is there some way I can get an injunction against Davenport Lyons to stop them harassing me?

24-10-2008, 23:14

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Originally Posted by cook1984

I have been accused in the past, but they always drop the claims when I write back to them.

What I mean is, I'd like it to actually go to court so a president can be set.

Is there some way I can get an injunction against Davenport Lyons to stop them harassing me?

Do you want to be President or do you want to set a Precedent.

Sirius · 24-10-2008, 23:16

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Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech

Do you want to be President or do you want to set a Precedent.

Turkey Machine · 24-10-2008, 23:43

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Originally Posted by cook1984

I have been accused in the past, but they always drop the claims when I write back to them.

What I mean is, I'd like it to actually go to court so a president can be set.

Is there some way I can get an injunction against Davenport Lyons to stop them harassing me?

I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't Citizens Advice Bureau know more? My first inkling would be a civil claims court.

Pedro1 · 25-10-2008, 07:07

Citizens Advice Bureau are just unpaid volunteers i have been to them in the past about stuff and they aint got a clue.

Turkey Machine · 25-10-2008, 10:19

In that case, cook1984 should speak to his solicitor, as they'll know what to do.