[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

If you cant keep your audience even for more than a minute or so, you need to rethink your strategy.

i got as far as if

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i got as far as if

I've not watched it yet but can pretty much guess what's in it. What the undecided want are facts, not opinions.

OK so the IMF and BoE came out with their figures painting as usual a picture of doom and gloom but there is a fact in this. NONE of them have been right since at least 2007.

For every prediction the afore mentioned bring out, there are a group of economists who can just as easily produce a plausible set of figures the other way. The truth is we don't know.

What we do know is there will be a short period of uncertainty after the referendum if we vote to leave. More later.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by arcimedes

If you cant keep your audience even for more than a minute or so, you need to rethink your strategy.

I suspect that the strategy would be to simply say what you want to hear
I noticed this when I went to the Guardians Brexit debate in London a couple of months ago. When the 'in' camp were speaking everyone in the audience listened attentively, regardless of which side they were on. When the 'out' camp were speaking the remanians in the audience simply started talking loudly amongst themselves or heckling the speakers. Pig ignorant rudeness.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I suspect that the strategy would be to simply say what you want to hear
I noticed this when I went to the Guardians Brexit debate in London a couple of months ago. When the 'in' camp were speaking everyone in the audience listened attentively, regardless of which side they were on. When the 'out' camp were speaking the remanians in the audience simply started talking loudly amongst themselves or heckling the speakers. Pig ignorant rudeness.

Indeed that tends to happen.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

I've not watched it yet but can pretty much guess what's in it. What the undecided want are facts, not opinions.

OK so the IMF and BoE came out with their figures painting as usual a picture of doom and gloom but there is a fact in this. NONE of them have been right since at least 2007.

For every prediction the afore mentioned bring out, there are a group of economists who can just as easily produce a plausible set of figures the other way. The truth is we don't know.

What we do know is there will be a short period of uncertainty after the referendum if we vote to leave. More later.

i wasn't commenting on the video

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i wasn't commenting on the video

Fair d0's. Was just stating opinion. Undecided want facts there is one in that post.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Fair d0's. Was just stating opinion. Undecided want facts there is one in that post.

at this stage in the process i wouldn't trust the undecided to pick their own underwear in the morning -if they haven't got a clue yet they never will have ,well that's my opinion

---------- Post added at 15:22 ---------- Previous post was at 15:06 ----------

EXCLUSIVE: Would EU believe it! Sam Cam’s family rakes in MILLIONS from Euro coffers

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) figures hidden from the public but seen by Express.co.uk reveal the PM's father-in-law has received at least £614,577.26 in CAP payments since 2008.

Official figures for the scheme, which has been running in its current format since 1999, do not go back to beyond that, but independent data compiled from Freedom of Information requests by an online watchdog indicate Sir Reginald's companies may have received as much as £2.7million in the last 15 years.

Today an investigation by this website exposes how the 58 billion Euro (£46BN) scheme, which was set up to help impoverished farmers, is now being exploited by Britain's landed elite to bankroll their huge inherited estates.

Amazingly the taxpayer-funded programme is handing over hundreds of millions of pounds of our cash to rich aristocrats, fox hunting associations and local councils.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/670...s-eu-subsidies

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

at this stage in the process i wouldn't trust the undecided to pick their own underwear in the morning -if they haven't got a clue yet they never will have ,well that's my opinion

---------- Post added at 15:22 ---------- Previous post was at 15:06 ----------

EXCLUSIVE: Would EU believe it! Sam Cam’s family rakes in MILLIONS from Euro coffers

Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) figures hidden from the public but seen by Express.co.uk reveal the PM's father-in-law has received at least £614,577.26 in CAP payments since 2008.

Official figures for the scheme, which has been running in its current format since 1999, do not go back to beyond that, but independent data compiled from Freedom of Information requests by an online watchdog indicate Sir Reginald's companies may have received as much as £2.7million in the last 15 years.

Today an investigation by this website exposes how the 58 billion Euro (£46BN) scheme, which was set up to help impoverished farmers, is now being exploited by Britain's landed elite to bankroll their huge inherited estates.

Amazingly the taxpayer-funded programme is handing over hundreds of millions of pounds of our cash to rich aristocrats, fox hunting associations and local councils.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/670...s-eu-subsidies

He's gonna worm his way out of that too wait and see. However, we know the truth and if we vote to remain we can at least have the satisfaction further down the line of saying I told you so.

From the end of the article

There is no suggestion that any of the landowners have done anything wrong or claimed any money they are not legally entitled to.

Got to love all the faux outrage...

Originally Posted by Ramrod

I suspect that the strategy would be to simply say what you want to hear
I noticed this when I went to the Guardians Brexit debate in London a couple of months ago. When the 'in' camp were speaking everyone in the audience listened attentively, regardless of which side they were on. When the 'out' camp were speaking the remanians in the audience simply started talking loudly amongst themselves or heckling the speakers. Pig ignorant rudeness.

I was at that too! I didn't heckle anyone though. That said I think you're overdoing it. The only time I saw real heckling was for the Tory woman. Farage did ok and there was heckling of the In campaign too although I will admit not as much. Where were you sitting? There was one person in the top tier who kept shouting 'rubbish' and 'answer the question' at them?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

He's gonna worm his way out of that too wait and see. However, we know the truth and if we vote to remain we can at least have the satisfaction further down the line of saying I told you so.

yes his supporters will just sweep it under the rug as per usual .

[heero_yuy]

Well if stay wins we'll have a front row seat at the EU implosion show.

Just hope the lifeboats are manned and dodgy Dave has our wallet hidden.

Originally Posted by Hugh

From the end of the article Got to love all the faux outrage...

Nobody has suggested any illegality though ,what the issue is ,is that monies aimed at small farmers is being used by rich farmers who's estates are self sufficient .It's a bit like millionaires claiming the state pension

[papa smurf]

http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/

Facts about the European Union
On 23 June, there will be a vote to decide whether the UK should remain a member of the European Union, or leave and take back control. It’s a big decision – and there may not be another chance to vote for years. Here are the facts:

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by Damien

I was at that too! I didn't heckle anyone though. That said I think you're overdoing it. The only time I saw real heckling was for the Tory woman. Farage did ok and there was heckling of the In campaign too although I will admit not as much. Where were you sitting? There was one person in the top tier who kept shouting 'rubbish' and 'answer the question' at them?

Small world
We were in the stalls (first tier). Looking up from the stage we would have been at 11 o'clock.
We were surrounded by left wing remanians (judging by what they were saying). I had to shush them several times as they were chattering so loudly over the 'in' campaigners that I couldn't hear what was being said!
I could have easily had a punch up with the pair behind us-well dressed chaps, well spoken, but they didn't realise that I'd heard them refer to me as "that Telegraph reading ar*ehole" ( I was reading it on my phone before the debate started)
I thought Nick Clegg wasn't very gentlemanly. He kept talking over the Tory woman & I loved the way that Farage kept telling him to "stop lying" about various facts and figures