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31-01-2017, 07:37

These protestors are only interested in their version of democracy not the universal concept they woukd happily overturn the election to get Trump out if they could nothing democratic about them they dislike Trump and that's all that matters to them.

**Damien** · 31-01-2017, 07:42

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

These protestors are only interested in their version of democracy not the universal concept they woukd happily overturn the election to get Trump out if they could nothing democratic about them they dislike Trump and that's all that matters to them.

Again what's undemocratic about protest and petitions? Not have you're imagining them doing but what they actually are doing? Do you think the democratic thing would be to keep quiet?

denphone · 31-01-2017, 07:47

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Originally Posted by Damien

Again what's undemocratic about protest and petitions? Not have you're imagining them doing but what they actually are doing? Do you think the democratic thing would be to keep quiet?

Indeed peaceful protests and petitions are part of democracy unless a minority on here think otherwise.

Mr K · 31-01-2017, 08:00

It's better than nothing but look what happened to the petition that got 4 million signatures ( on triggering a fresh EU referendum). Ignored.
These petitions are only to give the public an illusion of having some influence. Unless it's something the Govt. agree with they mean little. The Queen saying no, or taking a sickie that day might be more effective; has anybody checked if she's signed

heero_yuy · 31-01-2017, 09:14

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

signing petitions and waving bits of cardboard around it's quite a revolution .

where is the petition to keep trump coming i'll sign that .

And me

Anything that sticks in the craw of lefty wet liberals...

tweetiepooh · 31-01-2017, 10:00

I think he should come and visit so he can see how an integrated society does work, even with well ordered protests (if we can keep the idiots away) to express disagreement. Need carrot and stick approach to teach sometimes.

Even the petition itself is a good thing to allow disapproval to be expressed but in our democracy petitions are just that and do not need to be followed. I would disagree with a petition to overturn a public vote though, so a large group of people "vote again" the same way they voted before - so what? If it was simply a parliamentary vote on leaving then yes, petition away but not on a referendum.

**Maggy** · 31-01-2017, 10:13

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I think he should come and visit so he can see how an integrated society does work, even with well ordered protests (if we can keep the idiots away) to express disagreement. Need carrot and stick approach to teach sometimes.

Even the petition itself is a good thing to allow disapproval to be expressed but in our democracy petitions are just that and do not need to be followed. I would disagree with a petition to overturn a public vote though, so a large group of people "vote again" the same way they voted before - so what? If it was simply a parliamentary vote on leaving then yes, petition away but not on a referendum.

Fat chance that he'll notice anything except if the crowds aren't as big as for former US presidents..

tweetiepooh · 31-01-2017, 10:25

So the most effective protest would be to simply not be there! Don't protest, don't wave placards, shout, sing. Simply let him be driven through "deserted" streets with any people there pretty indifferent.

**Mick** · 31-01-2017, 10:27

Threads merged - we do not need two threads discussing one subject.

**Maggy** · 31-01-2017, 11:00

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

So the most effective protest would be to simply not be there! Don't protest, don't wave placards, shout, sing. Simply let him be driven through "deserted" streets with any people there pretty indifferent.

You can protest as much as you want..This is a democracy. However Trump only notices what he wants to.However if anyone makes any comparison between his visit and say those of Obama or Mandela expect a temper tantrum on twitter.

Pierre · 31-01-2017, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Damien

What happens if the government just ignores the law? Who actually ends up enforcing it? I mean the Supreme Court could say no but if Trump orders the policy to continue...

He can't ignore the law.

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When one branch of government exceeds its authority, separation of powers is violated, and representative government breaks down. Presidents have power to fill gaps or ambiguities in laws passed by Congress. They do not, however, have power to ignore laws as written

**Mick** · 31-01-2017, 11:20

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Originally Posted by Mr K

It's better than nothing but look what happened to the petition that got 4 million signatures ( on triggering a fresh EU referendum). Ignored.

Ignored and rightly so. Several reasons. Petitioning against a National Democratic decision is stupid.

How many of those who signed the Petition actually got off their arses and went out to vote?

Finally numbers: 4 Million does not beat the 17,4 Million who voted to leave the EU.

But then again Mr K, I do not expect you to respect any democratic decision, given that you show very little respect for anything else.

Pierre · 31-01-2017, 11:24

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Originally Posted by denphone

Indeed peaceful protests and petitions are part of democracy unless a minority on here think otherwise.

No problem here with peaceful intelligent protest.

You very really get it though.

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Originally Posted by Mr K

It's better than nothing but look what happened to the petition that got 4 million signatures ( on triggering a fresh EU referendum). Ignored.

As it should be.

Osem · 31-01-2017, 11:33

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Because their computers are made in China, should they be silenced from sharing their opinions with anyone?

Maybe they should just choose to make their views felt by supporting less unsavoury regimes with their money and buy their tech etc. elsewhere? Ooohh but that's too painful a protest to make lol Far easier to go on a march then go to Starbucks for a latte and free use of their wi-fi in order to click on a petition.

They remind me of the Starbucks warriors whose huge outrage at tax avoidance amounted to buying their coffee elsewhere for about a week. They sure do talk lots of talk but rarely seem to back it up with anything meaningful and put their money where their mouth is.

Demanding Trump's removal whilst turning a blind eye to China's civil rights and other abuses (which are far worse than anything he's done) is frankly pathetic.

**Mick** · 31-01-2017, 11:34

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

signing petitions and waving bits of cardboard around it's quite a revolution .

where is the petition to keep trump coming i'll sign that .

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

It's nearly at 100K that is needed for it to go to possible debate. Not a bad amount of signatures, given that you will not find this Petition being linked to in the Media, like the one petitioning the State visit to be cancelled was heavily broadcast.