UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal
09-11-2019, 16:00
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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There's a real risk that, as the largest employer in the country, if the NHS went down this route it might make people question what the point of Brexit is at all if the little guy still gets his/her job undermined by imported labour.
It wasn't all so the rich could avoid an EU tax directive, was it?
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That's an "if" and a "might" on a doubtful point anyway.
As for your last sentence, utterly ridiculous. Which EU tax directive and how would the "mights" be dodging it?
You need calling out.
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09-11-2019, 16:52
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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That's an "if" and a "might" on a doubtful point anyway.
As for your last sentence, utterly ridiculous. Which EU tax directive and how would the "mights" be dodging it?
You need calling out.
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I think they're referring to the one where the UK has similar rules already in place.
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09-11-2019, 16:54
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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I think they're referring to the one where the UK has similar rules already in place.
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“Similar” is not a synonym of “identical”.
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
That's an "if" and a "might" on a doubtful point anyway.
As for your last sentence, utterly ridiculous. Which EU tax directive and how would the "mights" be dodging it?
You need calling out.
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It’s hardly a doubtful point - it’s a Government proposal!
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09-11-2019, 17:05
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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“Similar” is not a synonym of “identical”.
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It’s hardly a doubtful point - it’s a Government proposal!
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If it has the same impact and just involves different forms and other admin matters, to all intents and purposes it is identical.
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09-11-2019, 17:16
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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If it has the same impact and just involves different forms and other admin matters, to all intents and purposes it is identical.
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Nowhere, anywhere, will you find it in print that it exclusively deals with administrative matters.
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11-11-2019, 11:55
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
Wow, Green Party leader, Caroline Lucas seen taking side swipe at Lib Dems... with "colourful" language...
https://twitter.com/PoliticsJOE_UK/s...41966678757376 (Caution: Contains F word from Lucas)
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11-11-2019, 13:32
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Nowhere, anywhere, will you find it in print that it exclusively deals with administrative matters.
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So what are the major differences? You do the research this time. I've already done it.
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11-11-2019, 19:00
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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So what are the major differences? You do the research this time. I've already done it.
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You haven't - you are simply peddling a myth based on one sentence published by the Government.
They aren't likely to publicise the loopholes they are leaving open for investment funds. It's your contention that they are identical, yet nowhere can you find authoritative evidence.
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11-11-2019, 19:06
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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You haven't - you are simply peddling a myth based on one sentence published by the Government.
They aren't likely to publicise the loopholes they are leaving open for investment funds. It's your contention that they are identical, yet nowhere can you find authoritative evidence.
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And of course you've got a huge amount of authoritative evidence, on this or anything else for that matter.
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11-11-2019, 19:15
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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And of course you've got a huge amount of authoritative evidence, on this or anything else for that matter.
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It's not my role to justify your floundering arguments.
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11-11-2019, 19:38
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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It's not my role to justify your floundering arguments.
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Your contention/argument is that there are loopholes with an particular EU directive. Where have you justified that? And I don't mean mere wild unfounded speculation.
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11-11-2019, 19:42
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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Your contention/argument is that there are loopholes with an particular EU directive. Where have you justified that? And I don't mean mere wild unfounded speculation.
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That's not my contention at all. My contention is that the UK implementation varies and these are not solely administrative variation. Your own link, posted previously, described the variation as largely administrative.
As you know, largely does not mean wholly or exclusively.
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11-11-2019, 19:47
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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That's not my contention at all. My contention is that the UK implementation varies and these are not solely administrative variation. Your own link, posted previously, described the variation as largely administrative.
As you know, largely does not mean wholly or exclusively.
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Any chance of examples of those differences and loopholes?
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The level of revenue accrued to the public purse as a result of the implementation of Article 5 of the EU Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive (Directive (EU) 2016/1164 of the European Parliament) is expected to be negligible. The UK already has comprehensive exit taxation rules, and the changes necessary to implement the directive are relatively minor and primarily of an administrative nature.
Article 5 of the Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive will be implemented as a budget measure in the upcoming Finance Bill. More information can be found in the Tax Information and Impact Note published on 6 July 2018:
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11-11-2019, 20:58
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“Primarily”. Your own evidence points towards there being other changes involved. Thank you for proving my point.
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11-11-2019, 21:17
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Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
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“Primarily”. Your own evidence points towards there being other changes involved. Thank you for proving my point.
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The quote is about what the UK already had in place BEFORE the EU directive.
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The UK already has comprehensive exit taxation rules, and the changes necessary to implement the directive are relatively minor and primarily of an administrative nature.
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Still waiting for concrete examples of differences and loopholes that are there currently and will exist after the directive is implemented as of 1st Jan 2020.The bill as a whole is 7 pages long.
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2 In paragraph 1 (circumstances in which plan may be entered into: company
ceasing to be resident in UK)—
(a) in subparagraph (1)(b) for “another” substitute “a relevant”,
(b) in subparagraph (5) for “an” substitute “a relevant”,
(c) in subparagraph (6) for “other” substitute “relevant”, and
(d)
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Massive detailed changes required.
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