[Merged] Football talk

[Marge]

Originally Posted by carlingman

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And then it seemed the refs poor sight spread to his other officials when Rooney popped up from offside for the second goal.

Have to agree with most of what you say but Fat Boy was definately onside having just seen the match on MOTD2

Originally Posted by Debsy42

Have to agree with most of what you say but Fat Boy was definately onside having just seen the match on MOTD2

Ah, you mean Wayne

[Marge]

Originally Posted by yesman

Ah, you mean Wayne

yeah, it's a term of endearment

[carlingman]

Originally Posted by Debsy42

Have to agree with most of what you say but Fat Boy was definately onside having just seen the match on MOTD2

Maybe so if the linesman looked at his feet, but he has a yard start with his PIE belly.



He's fat he's scouse he'll come and rob your house - rooney rooney.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Paul M

LOL, they deserved the win, so well done to them. Pity they didn't play them 8 matches ago.

Me too. BTW:

Doughty Out!

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by carlingman

Rooney should have won an oscar for that dive not a penalty

It was a blatant dive, almost Pires-esque

Originally Posted by carlingman

And then it seemed the refs poor sight spread to his other officials when Rooney popped up from offside for the second goal.

He was a mile onside.

Originally Posted by carlingman

And Freddie should have had a free kick for Ferdiand barging him off the ball.

Yep a free kick, but nothing more.

Originally Posted by carlingman

All in all united deserved the win but not by the way it came.

Yep, don't know why Wenger thinks Arsenal deserved the win, after all UTD had more attempts on goal, more shots on target..


In other news apparently Fergie had soup thrown over him after the match.

Originally Posted by http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,1335278,00.html

Arsenal are almost certain to find themselves back in disciplinary hot water after their latest ill-tempered encounter with Manchester United ended with a cup of pea soup being thrown over Sir Alex Ferguson as rival players clashed in the tunnel after the game.
One witness described ArsÃÃâ€*’¨ne Wenger's players as going "berserk", with Thierry Henry and Jens Lehmann among those wanting to prolong the argument after the final whistle.

The identity of the Arsenal player who splattered Ferguson is unclear, largely because of the number of individuals involved in the mÃÃâ€*’ªlÃÆ ’Ãâ€*’©e. Ferguson, apparently undaunted by the physical presence of some of those involved, was struck by a full beaker of hot soup, soaking his suit.

Although Ferguson was not scalded he had to change into his tracksuit and wipe his face and hair clear of soup splashes before his post-match interview with Sky. Despite his fiery reputation, however, the Manchester United manager was said to be "strangely calm" throughout the incident.

Wenger was not involved but was far from calm later when accusing Wayne Rooney of diving and the entire Manchester United team of "kicking his players off the park deliberately".

[iadom]

When Cole hacked down Ronaldo a few minutes after Rooney did his Pires impersonation was definately a penalty, the ref bottled that one just like he did with the Ferdinand barge in the first half.

[sherer]

what a result even if the game wasn't all that. As a Man U fam is't great for me and nice to end their run. If we had scored a pen last season then the run never would have started.

As a Man U fam will say it wasn't a pen as there was very little if any contact. However neither was there for Pires against Portsmouth. If you do it to other teams it will get done back to you. Ronaldo should have had a pen so it all evens out in the end.

Nice to see they are great loosers when the second clearly onside goal went in they surrounded the ref and linesman instead of saying well done for beating us. Rooney was behind the ball and there was a defender and the keeper in front of him.

In the tunnel soup and water were thrown at Fergie. Maybe this time the FA will really come down hard on Arsenal.

Notice how at the end of the match we didn't run up to Lehman and jump on him like Keown did with Nistelrooy last year !!

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by iadom

When Cole hacked down Ronaldo a few minutes after Rooney did his Pires impersonation was definately a penalty, the ref bottled that one just like he did with the Ferdinand barge in the first half.

For Ronaldo's pen I can see how the ref missed it as Ronaldo dragged the ball back just before Cole hit him, so depending on the refs angle it might have looked like Cole made contact with the ball.

As for the Ferdinand incident - free kick, nothing more. In my opinion not a sending off.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by gazzae

For Ronaldo's pen I can see how the ref missed it as Ronaldo dragged the ball back just before Cole hit him, so depending on the refs angle it might have looked like Cole made contact with the ball.

As for the Ferdinand incident - free kick, nothing more. In my opinion not a sending off.

I would have given the Ljunberg incident as well but at the time he didn't have the ball which is why I think the ref never gave anything. Did you notice how both managers kept harrassing the fourth official about every decision ?

Henry was lucky not to get sent off for stamping and barging into Heinze when he was on the ground.

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by sherer

I would have given the Ljunberg incident as well but at the time he didn't have the ball which is why I think the ref never gave anything.

Yes, it was because Ljungberg played the ball too far forwards before he was fouled by Rio. So even if he wasn't fouled he would not have been able to get to the ball before Carroll.
You do not get sent off simply for being the last man. According to the laws of the game, you have to deny a clear goal scoring opportunity. As Ljungberg played the ball too far forwards it was not a goal scoring opportunity as Carroll would have reached the ball first.

Therefore in my opinion it should have been a free kick to Arsenal and nothing more.

[sherer]

Giggs and Scholes had poor games on Sunday though. Giggs had 2 good chances to score and wasted both of them.. Not really seen him do anything since THAT goal in 99.

Just look at the amount of times we've tried to buy a left winger I think Fergie knows we can do better in that position but as the deals never come off we are just left with Giggs.

As a side note on my other team. i think knows the time for Andy Johnson to get an England cap. he's far better than Heskey, Ricketts and Vassell and on a good bit of form as well. We have a friendly coming up so why not test him out.

[Russ]

I've said for a while now that Giggs may be past his sell-by date. He's given a phenomenal amount of loyalty to the club and we've seen some incredible performances from him but those seem to be too few and far between these days. Saying that though, I'm sure his form was heavily crticised during a bad spell 2 seasons ago and a few weeks later he went on to have the best few games of his life!

[sherer]

the fact is though Giggs is 30 yo at the moment which means the last 3 years should have been the best of his career.. instead we get one or 2 good games a season and even in those games he is never great for 90 mins..

he is past his best now.. just look at the amount of times he runs really quickly into a defender and looses the ball.. he still hasn't learnt to go around them.. even for that goal he got abit of luck..

he does all these stupid flicks that never go to anyone and he can't cross , pass or take a corner or free kick.

i was at the FA Cup game the other year against arsenal when he missed an open goal!!

he could have scored twice on sunday instead i knew when he was one on one he would miss or it would be saved.. it was a weak shot that even Tiabi could have saved !!

Scholes hasn't had a great game for ahwile now either.. and on sunday we played with 9 men as Giggs and Phil Neville were out there..

would have rather Flecther started instead he's far better and has a footballing brain..

Oh dear, it is all going sour.............Link