Football : Season 2012/2013

[thenry]

Originally Posted by Damien

He has managed for most of his life, he has been in football all of his life, he is probably the best manager Arsenal have ever had and he is still is high demand. He still outperforms his spending by a considerable margin and really only Newcastle compete when it comes to bang for your buck.

He is still greatly respected by most fans. Don't let keyboard warriors on the Internet who have supported Arsenal for all of a few years create a false impression.

he has indeed managed near enough all his life but that doesnt mean hes earned a right to manage Arsenal for the rest of his life. the decline is worrying.

he doesnt outperform at a level we could be. thats worrying. standing still moving sideways when we could be moving forward is worrying. bang for your buck. yup there you go. thats true self subtainzzzzz peaking.

Arsene is indeed well respected. i want him to turn it around but make no mistake it isnt just keyboard warriors. people in the stadium are annoyed with the lot but continue to support what we love that is the club.

Originally Posted by Damien

What makes you think Pep will do better? I think Wenger would win numerous titles if he had Puyol, Xavi, Iniesta, and Messi in his side. That's when he arrived, he still had the additional luxury of the bigger budget for both transfers and wages than he would at Arsenal as well as a harder league.

I think he a good manager but it's deluded to think that replacing one good manager with another will be the end of all our problems.

Pep fine tunes for a start and would not accept half arsed ways. he'd get players performing. as for investment agreed he did get a huge boost but look at it this way. Barca and Real compete on that level for pride. Arsenal is different. Our values are completely different. as for funds theres 70mil in the bank and resources taken up which could be cleared to buy quality able to make a difference. Pep would find a way. Hes not a person who would put up with crap.

Originally Posted by Damien

So it is just some guy with a blog? Information which none of the press has picked up?

it isnt just 'some guy', 'keyboard warrior' or information taken from thin air. the information has been obtained by persisting by he or she. i dont know why the media hasnt exploited Arsenal but i assure you they know. if Iain Dowie knew a couple of years ago the salaries of Bendtner, Chamakh and the rest of the players offering little to Arsenal wondering how they got those figures which match the figures in this new release makes me believe it somewhat. How would Iain Dowie know? for all the people in the world Dowie on SkySportsNews?

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Originally Posted by denphone

Arsenal have no chance of getting Pep as he is going to one of the top 3 in the summer with Chelsea as favourites.

i wont be surprised. the amount of qaulity that has passed by Arsenals doors and not touched is criminal.

just a note to everyone who says Pep wont fit in at Arsenal.. did you know Arsene would fit in when he arrived and stay as long as he did, has?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

he has indeed managed near enough all his life but that doesnt mean hes earned a right to manage Arsenal for the rest of his life. the decline is worrying.

he doesnt outperform at a level we could be. thats worrying. standing still moving sideways when we could be moving forward is worrying. bang for your buck. yup there you go. thats true self subtainzzzzz peaking.

Arsene is indeed well respected. i want him to turn it around but make no mistake it isnt just keyboard warriors. people in the stadium are annoyed with the lot but continue to support what we love that is the club.



Pep fine tunes for a start and would not accept half arsed ways. he'd get players performing. as for investment agreed he did get a huge boost but look at it this way. Barca and Real compete on that level for pride. Arsenal is different. Our values are completely different. as for funds theres 70mil in the bank and resources taken up which could be cleared to buy quality able to make a difference. Pep would find a way. Hes not a person who would put up with crap.



it isnt just 'some guy', 'keyboard warrior' or informations taken from thin air. the information has been obtained by persisting by he or she. i dont know why the media hasnt exploited Arsenal but i assure you they know. if Iain Dowie knew a few years ago the salaries of Bendtner, Chamakh and the rest of the players offering little to Arsenal wondering how they got those figures which match the figures in this new release makes me believe it somewhat. How would Iain Dowie know? for all the people in the world Dowie on SkySportsNews.

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i wont be surprised. the amount of qaulity that has passed by Arsenals doors and not touched is criminal.

just a note to everyone who says Pep wont fit in at Arsenal.. did you know Arsene would fit in when he arrived and stay as long as he did?

To be perfectly frank Pep wants to go to a club that wins trophy's and Arsenal like Liverpool have been a bit short in that department.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by denphone

To be perfectly frank Pep wants to go to a club that wins trophy's and Arsenal like Liverpool have been a bit short in that department.

dont be silly Den. Peps a fighter not a pussy. hes still got something to prove. can he manage a side outside of Barca? can he turn yet another club around? is he really a top class manager.

[adzii_nufc]

I don't see a reason why Pep wouldn't go to the gunners.

Chelsea isn't an option and should never be as what Di Matteo has done is brilliant, Chelsea look awesome and a loss to united in the league shouldn't kill that as they will be challenging for the title this year.

Arsene Wenger will never be sacked as Arsenal Manager though, He'd have to resign as the media backlash would be too much. I'm in no position to comment on his performance but he has a Sir Alex like status at Arsenal in terms of years served and success, albeit not in the last 6 years.

I'm guilty of owning an Arsenal shirt with Henry on the back (Emirates Version 06 I believe) as at the time I thought it was one of the best looking kit's in England. I've followed Arsenal solely because of the Invincible's and and old term used for us (The Entertainers) was surely passed to Arsenal because the whole country loved the football they played.

I know what you lot and Liverpool fans are going through, I went through the same until relegation, It's a horrible feeling knowing your Football club should be challenging for trophies and European football and you're not certain whether they'll get it. But for the first time in my 22 years I'm happy where we are, We've built a great squad that's capable of challenging top teams and if we don't get it then it's not a disaster because we've went about it the right way this time.

Arsenal and Liverpool naturally won't get relegated naturally but truth is they can't be relegated, not if we want to sustain the reputation of English Football, They are two clubs that are vital to that.

Regardless of the outcome down there I just hope they don't make the mistake Liverpool made, getting rid of a top manager in Benitez after some great seasons and replacing him with the likes of Hogdson and Dalglish, now Rodgers, a once great club that's now stooped that low. Neither of these managers achieved anything close to Benitez and Liverpool have effectively started a merry go round.

We ourselves were guilty of this, Sacking the legendary Sir Bobby Robson and replacing him with the likes of Graeme Souness and co. Our club just got worse, we slipped from Champions League football into Oblivion and finally Relegation before thank god the club sorted itself out and is now set for the long run with Pardew who came in and made the most of it, Fact is he got lucky, his skill didn't turn the club around, he inherited an excellent boardroom and some great coaching/scouting staff.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

dont be silly Den. Peps a fighter not a pussy. hes still got something to prove. can he manage a side outside of Barca? can he turn yet another club around? is he really a top class manager.

Its called being realistic great man.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

I don't see a reason why Pep wouldn't go to the gunners.

its a club made for him to turn around but the obstacles in place are looking to be too high for him to climb over. i truly hope thats not the case. falling out the CL would be killer but would it take that to get Wenger out? I truly hope not. I really hope Arsene resigns allowing Pep in.

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Chelsea isn't an option and should never be as what Di Matteo has done is brilliant, Chelsea look awesome and a loss to united in the league shouldn't kill that as they will be challenging for the title this year.

Chelseas Russian has to accept Chelsea isnt and will not be a Barca. Chelseas success evolves around a different style. Roman was in love with the way Arsenal played in 08. Thats fact and he wanted to replicate it at Chelsea. I think after many years of trying he's finally accepted Chelseas style is its own built around what Jose done. I agree sacking Roberto would be a massive mistake even for Pep. Terry and co need their manhood on show for success to come at Stamford Bridge. That sort of attitude doesnt work well when implimenting change.

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Arsene Wenger will never be sacked as Arsenal Manager though, He'd have to resign as the media backlash would be too much. I'm in no position to comment on his performance but he has a Sir Alex like status at Arsenal in terms of years served and success, albeit not in the last 6 years.

backlash?

and will the board risk being forced out for Wenger? i dont think so. PHW will go to hell and back before that happens. he showed how big his balls were when showing Usmanov he, PHW is too a man you dont want to mess with (PHW has dark contacts in Russia who compete with Usmanov)

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

I'm guilty of owning an Arsenal shirt with Henry on the back (Emirates Version 06 I believe) as at the time I thought it was one of the best looking kit's in England. I've followed Arsenal solely because of the Invincible's and and old term used for us (The Entertainers) was surely passed to Arsenal because the whole country loved the football they played.

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

Regardless of the outcome down there I just hope they don't make the mistake Liverpool made, getting rid of a top manager in Benitez after some great seasons and replacing him with the likes of Hogdson and Dalglish, now Rodgers, a once great club that's now stooped that low. Neither of these managers achieved anything close to Benitez and Liverpool have effectively started a merry go round.

it wont be. we would be replacing Wenger with Pep. Not Wenger out, Tony Adams in. now that would be a repeat of Liverpool.

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

We ourselves were guilty of this, Sacking the legendary Sir Bobby Robson and replacing him with the likes of Graeme Souness and co. Our club just got worse, we slipped from Champions League football into Oblivion and finally Relegation before thank god the club sorted itself out and is now set for the long run with Pardew who came in and made the most of it, Fact is he got lucky, his skill didn't turn the club around, he inherited an excellent boardroom and some great coaching/scouting staff.

again Peps completely different.

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Originally Posted by denphone

Its called being realistic great man.

no it isnt.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

its a club made for him to turn around but the obstacles in place are looking to be too high for him to climb over. i truly hope thats not the case. falling out the CL would be killer but would it take that to get Wenger out? I truly hope not. I really hope Arsene resigns allowing Pep in.



Chelseas Russian has to accept Chelsea isnt and will not be a Barca. Chelseas success evolves around a different style. Roman was in love with the way Arsenal played in 08. Thats fact and he wanted to replicate it at Chelsea. I think after many years of trying he's finally accepted Chelseas style is its own built around what Jose done. I agree sacking Roberto would be a massive mistake even for Pep. Terry and co need their manhood on show for success to come at Stamford Bridge. That sort of attitude doesnt work well when implimenting change.



backlash?

and will the board risk being forced out for Wenger? i dont think so. PHW will go to hell and back before that happens. he showed how big his balls were when showing Usmanov he, PHW is too a man you dont want to mess with (PHW has dark contacts in Russia who compete with Usmanov)







it wont be. we would be replacing Wenger with Pep. Not Wenger out, Tony Adams in. now that would be a repeat of Liverpool.



again Peps completely different.

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no it isnt.

You live in hope.

[thenry]

Originally Posted by denphone

You live in hope.

prosperity.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

prosperity.

If Arsene decides he has had enough Roberto Martinez would be a good and realistic choice.

[thenry]

Arsenal isn't Liverpool Den.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

Arsenal isn't Liverpool Den.

Yes they have been trophyless for the last eight years but we did win a tinpot cup but it was a trophy nevertheless.

[thenry]

is that all you can remember?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by thenry

is that all you can remember?

Better then remembering sod all.

[Russ]

Pep's holding out for Old Trafford.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by denphone

l hope your team gets a decent result tonight Julian as they need to start winning games before they get adrift of teams outside the bottom three.

It's going to be tough Den.

Good to see Ramirez back in the team and the change of keeper was inevitable.

I reckon we will definitely score tonight, I just hope it's more than the baggies.