20-12-2020, 22:28
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
Peak fear has been initiated, “new variant”...”out of control”.......we’re all doomed.
Sir Kier hindsight, says we should have gone into lockdown earlier and harder.
I can’t remember when a Labour leader demanded that more people should lose their jobs? But that’s the left nowadays, so far removed from the working class as to be totally irrelevant in modern politics.
Ports have closed......not political at all, but then if you promote a “new variant” fear agenda, then you might scare the neighbours....well done.
We have nothing to fear, but fear merchants themselves.
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We also have to fear those who deny reality...
Do you really believe that every country in the world has been taken in by scientists who have created a global conspiracy (but to what end)?
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20-12-2020, 22:40
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Hugh
We also have to fear those who deny reality...
Do you really believe that every country in the world has been taken in by scientists who have created a global conspiracy (but to what end)?
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To normalise the idea that the government should regulate every action for the good of the public health?
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20-12-2020, 22:59
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Re: Coronavirus
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To normalise the idea that the government should regulate every action for the good of the public health?
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At huge economic cost to the globe? Meanwhile other governments continue life as normal coining it in? The rational capitalist out there would see huge economic advantages to be gained over neighbouring countries by not joining the global conspiracy.
Yet they seemingly do not exist. Nobody, anywhere.
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20-12-2020, 23:28
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by jfman
Meanwhile other governments continue life as normal coining it in?
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China seem to be perfectly normal, no issues there anymore..........weird that......, just a little bit, to the passing individual?
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The rational capitalist out there would see huge economic advantages to be gained over neighbouring countries by not joining the global conspiracy.
Yet they seemingly do not exist. Nobody, anywhere.
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The USA and Western Europe totally prolapsed by COVID, yet China just ticking along nicely......again nothing to be suspicious about.....,like I said a while back, my tin foil hat well and truly broken in recently.
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20-12-2020, 23:36
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Re: Coronavirus
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China seem to be perfectly normal, no issues there anymore..........weird that......, just a little bit, to the passing individual?
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That would be China that locked down and severely restricted internal travel for months? Dare I say a success of state planning/infrastructure and not outsourcing.
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The USA and Western Europe totally prolapsed by COVID, yet China just ticking along nicely......again nothing to be suspicious about.....,like I said a while back, my tin foil hat well and truly broken in recently.
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We have always had the blueprint from the SARS affected countries if we (the West) didn’t have white exceptionalism. It won’t happen to us, we’ve got better healthcare, better scientists, cultural differences, etc... etc...
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21-12-2020, 03:08
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Re: Coronavirus
Great. They're now backtracking and saying that the vaccine for Covid-19 may not work with the much more infectious mutated Covid virus and that having had it in the past might not provide any protection through antibodies created by the body.
I think a cancelled Christmas may well be the least of our worries.
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21-12-2020, 05:20
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Re: Coronavirus
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Great. They're now backtracking and saying that the vaccine for Covid-19 may not work with the much more infectious mutated Covid virus and that having had it in the past might not provide any protection through antibodies created by the body.
I think a cancelled Christmas may well be the least of our worries.
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Source?
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21-12-2020, 08:50
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Re: Coronavirus
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Great. They're now backtracking and saying that the vaccine for Covid-19 may not work with the much more infectious mutated Covid virus and that having had it in the past might not provide any protection through antibodies created by the body.
I think a cancelled Christmas may well be the least of our worries.
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They have to ask the question, and look at what the answer is. Doesn't mean that there is yet any actual evidence that it is a problem.
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21-12-2020, 09:06
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by Pierre
China seem to be perfectly normal, no issues there anymore..........weird that......, just a little bit, to the passing individual?
The USA and Western Europe totally prolapsed by COVID, yet China just ticking along nicely......again nothing to be suspicious about.....,like I said a while back, my tin foil hat well and truly broken in recently.
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Ah yes, China, those most honest of chappies.... not that they have historically hidden things from the world stage... nope, definitely not.
They certainly didn't nail/weld the entrances for entire residents of apartment blocks closed.
They certainly did not isolate entire cities from the rest of the country
They certainly don't have a population who are used to dealing with pandemics
They certainly don't have a population who are more subservient to authority.
A fine comparison to make......
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Last edited by mrmistoffelees; 21-12-2020 at 09:10.
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21-12-2020, 09:27
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Re: Coronavirus
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55388846
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Will the vaccines work against the new variant?
Almost certainly yes, or at least for now.
All three leading vaccines develop an immune response against the existing spike, which is why the question comes up.
Vaccines train the immune system to attack several different parts of the virus, so even though part of the spike has mutated, the vaccines should still work.
"But if we let it add more mutations, then you start worrying," said Prof Gupta.
"This virus is potentially on a pathway for vaccine escape, it has taken the first couple of steps towards that."
Vaccine escape happens when the virus changes so it dodges the full effect of the vaccine and continues to infect people.
This may be the most concerning element of what is happening with the virus.
This variant is just the latest to show the virus is continuing to adapt as it infects more and more of us.
A presentation by Prof David Robertson, from the University of Glasgow on Friday, concluded: "The virus will probably be able to generate vaccine escape mutants."
That would put us in a position similar to flu, where the vaccines need to be regularly updated. Fortunately the vaccines we have are very easy to tweak.
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21-12-2020, 09:36
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Re: Coronavirus
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A subservient to authority.
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I'm not sure following the rules should necessarily rely on bring "subservient". That's the emotionally charged language of the no mask morons.
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21-12-2020, 09:40
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Re: Coronavirus
One wonders when the entire country will move to Tier 4, it's the logical thing to do to stop the spread of this new mutation.
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I'm not sure following the rules should necessarily rely on bring "subservient". That's the emotionally charged language of the no mask morons.
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In my opinion I believe that the majority of chinese nationals will be subservient to their government. However, should you wish. replace with obedience etc.
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21-12-2020, 09:40
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laeva recumbens anguis
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Re: Coronavirus
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Originally Posted by downquark1
To normalise the idea that the government should regulate every action for the good of the public health?
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So all the Governments have got together and agreed this, even the ones with coalitions?
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21-12-2020, 09:45
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Re: Coronavirus
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So all the Governments have got together and agreed this, even the ones with coalitions?
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Unfortunately, my sister in law is an absolute nut job...... I
t's a huge smokescreen to cover a global peadophile ring with children being smuggled underground, governments, media, businesses all in on it. With the only honest person in the entire high profile world being, wait for it, Donald Trump.....
1st in Law, clever lass, but plain loopy
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21-12-2020, 10:13
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Re: Coronavirus
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So all the Governments have got together and agreed this, even the ones with coalitions?
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If they are threatened with world trade collapse or war then yes. However, I do not know this is the case. But to suggest there is no other explanation is a lack of imagination.
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