Football Talk 2006/2007 Season

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by gazzae

Reina has kept 16 clean sheets in the league. 6 more than James. He has made a few blunders so even though he has more clean sheets he is below James.

Reina has a much better defence in front of him, it's also probable that Portsmouth do a lot more defending per game than Liverpool

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Reina has a much better defence in front of him, it's also probable that Portsmouth do a lot more defending per game than Liverpool

He does and thats refected in the stats by James being above Reina.

[pedantic]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

No idea..

Thanks, that's just the answer I was looking for.

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Yes indeed, why bother about the Italians when it was widely criticized in the British press and on here by other members of the Forum.. The point had already been made. Yet somehow, tables turned and Man U / Rangers fans start to cause trouble (even though it hasn't resulted in any deaths - yet) and everyone jumps to their defence.

Yes, its simply because im supporting my own agenda, thats all it is.

Simply because a point has already been raised, doesn't mean you can't join in. But as I've already stated, it wouldn't be in your best interests to do so. Stick to your own agenda. I look forward to your next post, the next time Rangers or Man u are chastised again in the media.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by gazzae

He does and thats refected in the stats by James being above Reina.

how can stats take into account blunders and having a better defence in front of you ?

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Yet somehow, tables turned and Man U / Rangers fans start to cause trouble (even though it hasn't resulted in any deaths - yet) and everyone jumps to their defence.

so your criticising the Man U fans for being beaten up by the Police while they were already knocked out.. what should they have done instead ?

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by sherer

how can stats take into account blunders and having a better defence in front of you ?

Because its an index designed to record a players contribution. So basically they get points for playing well and lose points for playing poorly

How is the Actim Index calculated?

Complex mathematical formulae were devised to calculate the value of each player's contribution, match by match. In simple terms, the Actim Index comprises six calculations:
Calculation 1 - Assesses a player's contribution to a winning team, based on points won by the team when he appeared.
Calculation 2 - Assesses a player's performance in each game, by allocating points for actions that positively contribute to a winning performance such as shots, tackles, clearances and saves. It also takes points away from players for negative actions such as yellow/red cards and shots off target.
Calculation 3 - Allocates points based on time on the pitch.
Calculation 4 - Allocates points for goal scorers.
Calculation 5 - Allocates points for assists.
Calculation 6 - Allocates points for clean sheets.

http://www.premierleague.com/fapl.ra...age=actimFAQ#1

[Derek]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

I notice how the Rangers fan edited my post to remove insults about Rangers fans.

Correct. Insulting other members of the forum, even as a group isn't allowed.
If you have a problem with the moderation take it up with another member of the team.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by sherer

so your criticising the Man U fans for being beaten up by the Police while they were already knocked out.. what should they have done instead ?

Perhaps not charged at Roma fans or thrown rocks at them maybe... Just a guess.

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Originally Posted by pedantic

I look forward to your next post, the next time Rangers or Man u are chastised again in the media.

Maybe if next time somebody dies you might look at it in a different light.

[pedantic]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Maybe if next time somebody dies you might look at it in a different light.

I always look at everything in an honest way, I don't let blinkers get in the way. whether there is a fatality, or not, I wait until all the evidence is in, regardless of which teams are involved.

[TheBlueRaja]

Originally Posted by pedantic

I always look at everything in an honest way, I don't let blinkers get in the way. whether there is a fatality, or not, I wait until all the evidence is in, regardless of which teams are involved.

You know, I've received red reps for my stance on this, i've been called a troll and accused of saying these thing out of my haltered for Man U and Rangers.

But im not wrong, im right and unless something is done, someone is going to die or be very seriously injured.

IF away fans cannot behave - ban them - i don't care who they support, better yet - ban the teams involved and hit them where it hurts.

Take my thread on Rangers, since i wrote that, where again I was berated for my stance and fed the usual "it wasnt a Nazi salute / bigoted song" bull, the chairman of Rangers himself has come out and said that it must stop or they will ban fans at away games, not only from europe, but also possibly from away games in the SPL as well.

Saying that though words are one thing but actions are another.

Any why did that happen - not because he's suddenly seen some sense, but because other football fans have started to stand up and say No, its not right and because of this UEFA started to take notice and only then have Rangers start to back down and take action because it going to hurt them where it hurts, in the pocket.

I'll take my stance and stick with it thanks and wear my red reps with pride.

Scholes gets one match ban for red card

Scholes started the quarter-final first leg match with two yellow cards against his name following bookings against Benfica and Celtic in the group stage and incurred an automatic ban after being booked in the 26th minute on Wednesday.
Although he was sent off eight minutes after that for a second bookable offence, his punishment remains a one-match ban and he will miss the return leg against Roma next Tuesday but be eligible to play if United reach the semi-finals.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/break...535319,00.html

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Billionaire buys stake in Arsenal

ITV plc have announced they have unconditionally sold their 9.99% shareholding in Arsenal Holdings plc to American Stan Kroenke's KSE UK Inc. KSE began a business partnership with the Gunners in February through Major League Soccer club Colorado Rapids.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...al/6496951.stm

[Mal]

Originally Posted by sherer

I don't believe he's made any saves that Kuschzak or Foster wouldn't have saved but he has made several errors that they wouldn't.. just watch him on crosses and corners and he's no idea whether to come or not

sure he made some saves against Fulhum but when they hit the post where was he.. standing there watching. when they had a chance for a goal at the far post and Brown did enough to put the FUlham bloke off.. where was in .. in totally the wrong place

sure he won a lot in the past but that's the point that's in his past at an team other than Man U he would have let in loads of goals it's just with Rio and Vidic his errors aren't picked up as much until last night.. take the Reading goal he gave them if that game was 0-0 at the time we would have lost it

Originally Posted by sherer

well i'd rather have Foster in goal than VDS.. put it this way of VDS had been at Watford he would be lower down the stats and would have let in more goals than Foster has

Cech is a bit more of an old style English keeper.. if the ball is in your hands or off the pitch then the other team can't score

Robinson kept the ball alive in one of Englands games with a punch and they scored from it

VDS kept the ball alive against Roma and Reading and both teams scored

I do think that VDS is the best goalie that we have had since Schmeicel left. Also, VDS is miles better than Kuszczak and I was so glad when VDS came back.

With Foster, I do think that we have a good prospect and he should be given his chance.

[TheBlueRaja]

Well, Well, looks like the spurs fans are at it now too... Disgrace.

[pedantic]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Well, Well, looks like the spurs fans are at it now too... Disgrace.

I've yet to see any footage, or get any facts about the incidents, so will reserve my judgements.

No knee jerk reactions from me.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja

Well, Well, looks like the spurs fans are at it now too... Disgrace.

Yes it is a disgrace

Spurs club secretary John Alexander said: "We know one disabled fan was hit with a baton with such force that it knocked him out of his wheelchair."

"Our initial reports suggest there was no fan-to-fan fighting at any stage of the proceedings," said a club statement.

"It had been a perfect day up to then but was spoilt by some over-zealous police officers, who started throwing their weight around, for want of a better term," said Daniel Wynne, of Tottenham Hotspur Supporters' Trust.


"After the penalty, a couple of fans got a bit excited about that but nothing more than shouting at the pitch. There was no violence. "Spurs fans weren't causing any trouble. The police went over and above acting as stewards."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/6531683.stm

And to cap it all the fool from UEFA comes out with

Uefa has launched investigations into both flashpoints, but communications director William Gaillard said possible sanctions for any of the clubs involved had not been discussed.

He should have said nothing until the investigation had been concluded because from what I've seen and read there was absolutely no justification for the police behaviour, if anything English fan's should boycott European games until they can control their police and if they dare say anything we can kick up a fuss about the state of their stadiums, if they are safe why the heck do we bother maintaining ours to the level we do, when it seems perfectly acceptable for fans to sit (if they are lucky) in a ramshackle, derelict, flea pit?

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There's more

“In England, you get arrested or ejected for bad behaviour. In Italy, you get beaten up.

“I watched those pictures with horror because I seriously feared someone was going to get killed the way they were being hit with batons. Police looked like they were enjoying it.” David Platt

“It is just not right. Fans go there to enjoy a match and get beaten up by the very people who are supposed to be protecting them.” Former top-level ref Anders Frisk

Yet where were the police when this happened

Middlesbrough fans were not surprised by the violent scenes in Rome though. Three Boro supporters were stabbed in the build- up to their UEFA Cup tie at the Olympic Stadium in March last year.

If even half of this is true then it's a scandal, obviously it will be brushed under the carpet, nobody ever speaks up for the fans, that why stuff like this keeps happening

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...150789,00.html

[iadom]

I suppose this is OK as well.

http://tinyurl.com/35bpua