[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
11-05-2016, 14:58
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
Erm, he's saying that a future government could, not that he would - I think your fervour is turning into rabid hatred...
Amusingly, you accuse him of scare tactics, but only a couple of posts ago you said
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The EU will clamp down on the UK and impose more laws and people on the UK thus making things much worse than they are now.
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11-05-2016, 16:19
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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Originally Posted by Hugh
Erm, he's saying that a future government could, not that he would - I think your fervour is turning into rabid hatred...
Amusingly, you accuse him of scare tactics, but only a couple of posts ago you said
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So how would leaving the EU put any of those rights we have gained over the 30-40+yrs in jeopardy ? unless DC or any future Tory government plan on removing some of those rights what was the point of the statement ?
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Shall I tell you in one sentence what a remain vote will mean?
The EU will clamp down on the UK and impose more laws and people on the UK thus making things much worse than they are now.
Yes. They will see a remain vote as being happy with the status quo cos there is as much chance of the reform the UK wants as me going to the space station on the next shuttle to replace Tim Peak.
They'll come down on the UK so hard we won't know what's hit us so I advise a Leave vote.
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Exactly , if we remain in the EU our government will be reduced to a simple council chamber ,by voting to stay in we will be giving EU leaders permission to expand their powers not just keep the status quo
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11-05-2016, 18:44
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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Fear of the known can be just as motivating as fear of the unknown.  |
Yup. I think there's every justification, after decades of incontrovertible proof, to fear what the EU has become and where it's clearly intent on going. Even at a time of concurrent major crises, they refuse to change direction or learn from their mistakes. This isn't fear mongering, it's fact.
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11-05-2016, 19:04
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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Remind me please what you think the EU is? When I last looked we were part of the EU. The EU does need reform like giving more power to the parliament which is after all elected and not appointed. |
What the EU is, is not what the people voted for in 1975. So we are part of an organisation we had no say over now. So instead of asking if we want to remain we should be asked if we want to be part of a European Super State.
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Erm, he's saying that a future government could, not that he would - I think your fervour is turning into rabid hatred...
Amusingly, you accuse him of scare tactics, but only a couple of posts ago you said
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Watch this space!
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11-05-2016, 21:35
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
Oooooooh - I'm scared!
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11-05-2016, 23:03
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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Amusingly, you accuse him of scare tactics, but only a couple of posts ago you said
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That's not a scare tactic, it's a statement of fact.
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11-05-2016, 23:24
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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That's not a scare tactic, it's a statement of fact.
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No, it's an opinion..
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12-05-2016, 08:31
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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No, it's an opinion..
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What I said was indeed an opinion but you watch and see. Do you really think they will just forget about it? Look at the facts:
Vote remain and:
You are saying you are happy with the way things are. Why then should they reform?
Why would the European Parliament then pass what little Cameron achieved? It only takes one country to veto it.
Why should they treat the UK differently to other EU countries? If they do that all countries in the EU will want it.
We already opt out of the bits we don't like so why stay? We won't be able to opt out forever.
Despite what Remain say, the EU IS heading towards an European Super State. Do we really want to be part of that?
It isn't scare tactics, it's an opinion based on simple logic. If you're happy with the way the EU is now and the direction in which it is headed then by all means vote Remain. If, however you believe what I and other leavers say about the direction it's taking then you have to vote Leave.
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12-05-2016, 15:03
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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No, it's an opinion..
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Is that a fact?
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12-05-2016, 16:06
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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No, it's an opinion..
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The EU has a stated aim of ever closer fiscal and political union. It is therefore a fact.
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12-05-2016, 16:35
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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No, it's an opinion..
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The EU has a stated aim of ever closer fiscal and political union. It is therefore a fact.
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What I said was indeed an opinion but you watch and see. snippy snip snip...
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The poster I was replying to disagrees with you on that..
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12-05-2016, 17:16
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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The poster I was replying to disagrees with you on that.. |
Well, if, god forbid, we vote to remain in.....I shall enjoy telling you "I told you so" with annoying regularity 
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12-05-2016, 20:28
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
Brexit then Frexit? French presidential hopeful promises country it’s OWN EU referendum
Bruno Le Maire, a former agriculture minister bidding to become the next French president, has pledged he will hold a national vote on a “radical reorientation of the European project” should he be elected to the Élysée Palace in 12 months time.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-Brexit-Frexit
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12-05-2016, 20:48
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
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Well, if, god forbid, we vote to remain in.....I shall enjoy telling you "I told you so" with annoying regularity |
And I may reply, with annoying regularity, "get over it, you lost..." ''
I still haven't decided how I'm voting yet, but I get irritated by the diatribes from both sides.
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12-05-2016, 21:10
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re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
All kicked off today. ITV are going to have a debate between Cameron and Farage and Vote Leave aren't happy. This is fair enough since Cameron has reportedly been intentionally trying to sideline anyone from Vote Leave and promote Farage, he wouldn't debate anyone else. Vote Leave and Remain view Farage as a loose cannon with turns off moderate voters which is largely seen as right so it's obvious what Cameron is doing here. He did the same with Miliband in the election.
Vote Leave though went a bit over the top with their statement especially with this ominous threat at the end:
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The source said ITV had "effectively joined the official In campaign and there will be consequences for its future", saying "the people in No 10 won't be there for long".
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For all the accusations of Project Fear I think this is the first time there has been an implied threat from the people who would carry out that threat. If Vote Leave as so worried about Farage looking bonkers it's probably best they don't go off the reservation entirely as well.
Meanwhile the Governor of the Bank of England has said Brexit could lead to a recession. I think out of all the 'doom' scenarios the most likely is a recession followed by slow growth as the deals start to finalise. It's hard to imagine that we wouldn't enter a big period of uncertainty once the Leave vote comes in.
The FT did a piece on what to expert from the markets: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/a75fc5ae-1...#axzz48NuU44hq
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