[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Damien

Link?

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I used to have lectures in that very room. Go me.

OOPS IS THAT CAMERA RUNNING

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...en-foreign-aid

[heero_yuy]

It's that Gordon moment.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

It's that Gordon moment.

At least he was right, however, unlike Brown.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Osem

At least he was right, however, unlike Brown.

I don't suppose you can see his lips moving though.

[Big Brian]

Brexit inches ahead of Remain in latest EU referendum poll

The survey, which was conducted by YouGov for The Times, showed that 42 per cent of people supported Leave, as opposed to 41 per cent who supported Remain.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/30/brexit...#ixzz48H3wh7lR


Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/30/brexit...#ixzz48H3kT2VI

[Ramrod]

Just THREE PERCENT Of The BBC’s EU Topic Guests Are Eurosceptic

The British Broadcasting Corporation’s (BBC’s) coverage of issues surrounding the European Union (EU) and British membership of the EU shows significant bias in favour of a pro-EU, Remain stance, the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) has found.

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Just THREE PERCENT Of The BBC’s EU Topic Guests Are Eurosceptic

As usual Breitbart are being misleading.

First of all it doesn't appear to be the 'Institute of Economic Affairs' which has found that out via a 'detailed analysis'. It's a chapter of a book by the IEA arguing for the privatisation of the BBC which is quoting 'News Watch' who are responsible for the statistic quoted in that article.

I am not actually sure who News Watch are. This is their site: http://news-watch.co.uk/contact-us/ since they're actively soliciting complaints about the EU referendum as well as creating a new site called 'BBC Compliants' I am not sure how impartial they are.

However a chapter in a book quoting an external source with no accompanying data is not a detailed analysis.

[ianch99]

Staggering hypocrisy from IDS:

Iain Duncan Smith: EU favours 'haves over the have-nots'

The European Union is a "force for social injustice" which backs "the haves rather than the have-nots", Iain Duncan Smith has said.

Of course, the Tory party isn't the party that "backs the haves rather than the have-nots" is it? The irony ..

Personally I loathe IDS and the leave campaign need someone better to present their case many haven't and won't forgive him for what he did while DWP minister. At this point no one on either side should look to the media for reliable information which says it all about the state of national media in the UK. As I've said I'm voting to leave mainly for my kids, a UK totally free to make it's own trade deals, make and implement it's own laws and handle it's own foreign affairs not follow what has already been and what looks set to get worse Eastern expansion by the EU.

Leaving I believe will make the UK a more global outward looking nation not a xenophobic septic little isle as some believe. British people are basically fair and tolerant people with a good sense of justice and fairness and despite the EU those values are still present and strong. I also don't believe any of us truly know the future plans of the EU as they will not be clear or honest about them and leaks are only giving us a glance and that's enough to have me very worried.

Will trade be affected if we leave undoubtedly so, some of our so called European partners will make damn sure of that and for once have been open about it. Will we be at a disadvantage in dealing with the USA no I don't think we will Obama is an outgoing president and his popularity is falling with many Americans unhappy with his approach to the UK amongst many other things. Whoever replaces him I think will be more then happy to have a better relationship with the UK then during Obama's tenure.

For me though whatever consequences there may be with EU trade the rest of the world will be a lot easier to deal with then they currently are and within a short time I believe the UK can forge better and more long lasting trade relations to replace any EU deals we lose. Let's also not forget the UK is not the only nation getting tired of the EU, citizens in many of the western European nations are not happy or satisfied with the current EU situation and if the UK votes out it won't be the last vote on it other nations principally the French and Germans are likely to have to give their citizens a choice.

The unknown is always a bit scary and thats what the in campaign is playing on with ever greater ramping up of dire predictions if we vote out. The UK has, is and will in future be a strong nation we thrived before the EU we can do so again after the EU. I'd rather take our chances on our own then be swallowed up into some mega European state doomed to failure likely with a lot of bloodshed as it dies.

[Big Brian]

Shall I tell you in one sentence what a remain vote will mean?

The EU will clamp down on the UK and impose more laws and people on the UK thus making things much worse than they are now.

Yes. They will see a remain vote as being happy with the status quo cos there is as much chance of the reform the UK wants as me going to the space station on the next shuttle to replace Tim Peak.

They'll come down on the UK so hard we won't know what's hit us so I advise a Leave vote.

Sounds a bit like 'Project Fear' to me...

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Sounds a bit like 'Project Fear' to me...

So what will they do then?

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Sounds a bit like 'Project Fear' to me...

Fear of the known can be just as motivating as fear of the unknown.

[arcimedes]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Yes. They will see a remain vote as being happy with the status quo cos there is as much chance of the reform the UK wants as me going to the space station on the next shuttle to replace Tim Peak.

I'm willing to start a fund to send you

Remind me please what you think the EU is? When I last looked we were part of the EU. The EU does need reform like giving more power to the parliament which is after all elected and not appointed.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Fear of the known can be just as motivating as fear of the unknown.

Totally agree. I don't pretend it will be easy at first as I said with the Scottish referendum but in the long run it will be worth it. The trouble is that people want things yesterday and are not prepared to wait. If you want the benefits, you have to work for them.

You want scaremongering, I'll give you scaremongering.

The EU protects workers rights: Paid holidays, time off and good working conditions. Leaving the EU could put that in jeopardy. The words of David Cameron in his speech on Monday.

Truth: Is he saying he's going to take that all away from our workers if we vote leave? Utter clap trap. Our Government will protect the rights of workers or they will have a revolution on their hands. We won't lose that if we leave the EU, it's pure scare tactics, nothing else.