Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Mrmistoffeles has posted a reliable source that shows Hamas are not appropriating the aid. Maybe there'a a non-mainstream website out there that says aliens are stealing it?

Plenty of aid may be provided but as we know, Israel is not allowing enough of it into Gaza.

Did you or Mrmistoffeles read the article he posted?

A State Department spokesperson disputed the findings,

A White House spokesperson, Anna Kelly, questioned the existence of the analysis,

The very last sentence of the article:

The study noted a limitation: because Palestinians who receive aid cannot be vetted, it was possible that U.S.-funded supplies went to administrative officials of Hamas, the Islamist rulers of Gaza.

Hardly a slam dunk.

A State Department spokesperson disputed the findings, saying there is video evidence of Hamas looting aid, but provided no such videos. The spokesperson also accused traditional humanitarian groups of covering up "aid corruption."

A White House spokesperson, Anna Kelly, questioned the existence of the analysis, saying no State Department official had seen it and that it "was likely produced by a deep state operative" seeking to discredit President Donald Trump's "humanitarian agenda."

Your quotes missed out a few relevant bits…

a) no evidence to support the State Department spokesman

b) according to the White House spokesperson, no one had seen it, so it must be fake, and then immediately spun to the "deep state" narrative…

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Your quotes missed out a few relevant bits…

a) no evidence to support the State Department spokesman

b) according to the White House spokesperson, no one had seen it, so it must be fake, and then immediately spun to the "deep state" narrative…

The whole article is rendered impotent by the last sentence. That was really all I needed to quote.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The whole article is rendered impotent by the last sentence. That was really all I needed to quote.

Not really. That's what reputable sources do as opposed to opinion-led websites.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The whole article is rendered impotent by the last sentence. That was really all I needed to quote.

No it’s not, and conveniently you also fail to include

‘ The analysis found that at least 44 of the 156 incidents where aid supplies were reported stolen or lost were “either directly or indirectly” due to Israeli military actions, according to the briefing slides.’



What exactly will it take for you to acknowledge your beloved IDF are not as pure as the driven snow ? That they have repeatedly failed to follow the rules of conflict ? And finally that their responses are and have not been proportionate.

Should be simple questions for someone such as yourself to answer

[Carth]

I find it hilarious that in this day and age, supposedly grown intelligent adults still put their 'faith' in obscure articles written by people who, lets face reality here, don't have a clue what's really going on.

Haven't you all had enough of being led through life by those who tell the best story?

That Pavlov character didn't go far enough into his research

[Pierre]

It’s laughable, you and Andrew are free to cling onto whatever articles you want.

But I treat with a hefty dose of scepticism an article that starts with:

Exclusive: USAID analysis found no evidence of massive Hamas theft of Gaza aid

And ends with:

The study noted a limitation: because Palestinians who receive aid cannot be vetted, it was possible that U.S.-funded supplies went to administrative officials of Hamas, the Islamist rulers of Gaza.

Found no evidence because it is impossible determine whether Hamas are appropriating the aid and withholding it.

Great study, i wouldn’t hang my hat on it though.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

It’s laughable, you and Andrew are free to cling onto whatever articles you want.

But I treat with a hefty dose of scepticism an article that starts with:



And ends with:



Found no evidence because it is impossible determine whether Hamas are appropriating the aid and withholding it.

Great study, i wouldn’t hang my hat on it though.

I see nothing changes and you’re still unable or unwilling to answer simple questions.

Personally , I think the only thing laughable is your rabid fixation that the Israeli forces/government have done no wrong.

Please feel free to correct that point

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Personally , I think the only thing laughable is your rabid fixation that the Israeli forces/government have done no wrong.

Please feel free to correct that point

Feel free to provide any quote where I have said the IDF have done “no wrong”.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Pierre

Feel free to provide any quote where I have said the IDF have done “no wrong”.

Of course, I’ll be more than happy to go through this threwd , just as soon as you answer the questions posed to you by myself a couple of posts up.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

What exactly will it take for you to acknowledge your beloved IDF are not as pure as the driven snow ?

Well they’re not my “beloved”, I’m not Jewish, have any connections to Israel or have any skin in the game whatsoever, and I don’t believe they’re as white as the driven snow.

But they’re doing what they believe needs to be done, they’re trying to eradicate an Islamist death cult that bestowed one the greatest atrocities their nation has ever experienced.

But it’ll take more than unsubstantiated claim in a dodgy article.

That they have repeatedly failed to follow the rules of conflict?

Well what rules exactly? They’re fighting an insurgent guerrilla war. One where an apparent Palestinian civilian, can suddenly appear with an AK47 or IED.

They follow the rules more than HAMAS

And finally that their responses are and have not been proportionate.

I think Israel’s response as been wholly proportionate. If Israel wanted to commit a “genocide” and visit upon HAMAS and the Palestinian civilians that took part in Oct 7th (let’s not forget it wasn’t just HAMAS, Palestinian civilians and UNWRA workers participated in the atrocity) this would all have been over by Oct 10th.

I think they’ve prosecuted it as well as could be expected in the circumstances.

Better than I would have, as here’s my first post on this thread on Oct 8th 2023

Here is my first post on the thread, posted a few hours after Oct 7th

If I was Israel, I would completely destroy Gaza, just flatten it.

I know that’s what Hamas want, but i would give it to them in spades.

Give them 24hrs warning, then flatten it.

Should be simple questions for someone such as yourself to answer

There you go, I’ve answered them.

[mrmistoffelees]

Thanks, enjoying the weekend so I’ll come back to you in the next couple of days

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Thanks, enjoying the weekend so I’ll come back to you in the next couple of days

Me too, enjoy!