[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU - Page 121

heero_yuy · 10-05-2016, 08:40

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Mr Cameron agreed to drop his centrepiece demand less than 24 hours before he planned to spell it out publicly for the first time after furious protest from Berlin.

Delivering his biggest attack on No10 yet in the EU referendum fight, pro-Brexit IDS declares on Germany’s hidden role: “It’s like they were sitting in a room, even when they were not there.

“There was a spare chair for them - called the German Chair.

“They have had a de facto veto over everything.”

Linky

jonbxx · 10-05-2016, 09:31

*Sigh* I was waiting for this one....

This is how the European Council works! In a number of areas, including, in this case, social security, unanimity is required to pass a vote. Malta has as much sway as Germany in these cases.

The UK exercised the rights of veto to prevent stronger anti dumping tariffs for chinese steel for example. The government pretty much threw the european steel industry under the bus.

Osem · 10-05-2016, 10:49

Iain Duncan Smith making a speech on this subject now here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36050790

I haven't heard anything new yet but it seems to be concentrating on the negative impact of uncontrolled EU migration so far. More to come no doubt.

His argument aside, he is deeply uninspiring...

**Damien** · 10-05-2016, 11:11

The Tory party is so screwed after this vote. Unless it's so decisive that the losing side has to retreat then they're going to be at each others throats for years. Anything around 55% to the winning side or less and trouble.

tweetiepooh · 10-05-2016, 11:15

The Tory party has always been this way over Europe. It's part of being free within the party to have differing opinions over various aspects. Other parties either comprise of people with more focussed views or it's part of the parties beliefs so you agree when you join.

Osem · 10-05-2016, 11:18

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Tory party is so screwed after this vote. Unless it's so decisive that the losing side has to retreat then they're going to be at each others throats for years. Anything around 55% to the winning side or less and trouble.

That really puts into perspective just how rubbish the 'opposition'* is. Where are they in this vital debate?

Cameron surely will go, one way or the other, if we vote to leave and the splits amongst the Tories will endure just like they always have.

* gross misnomer

techguyone · 10-05-2016, 11:24

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Originally Posted by Damien

The Tory party is so screwed after this vote. Unless it's so decisive that the losing side has to retreat then they're going to be at each others throats for years. Anything around 55% to the winning side or less and trouble.

That'd be worth something if the opposition was credible. As it is, basically we're all screwed regardless of party unless theres some significant leader changes on all sides.

Osem · 10-05-2016, 11:25

... and as if by magic, Labour have just launched their latest battle bus.

LABOUR

I N

FOR BRITAIN

I'm sure it'll be just as effective as all the others...

arcimedes · 10-05-2016, 12:07

I think they forgot two words "got it"

Ramrod · 10-05-2016, 16:08

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well perhaps you could point me in the right direction...seeing as I cannot rely on the media to give any facts and instead churn out all the spin from both sides and everyone on the internet re-tweets,reposts all this spin and lies..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuPvviEaNWo

Big Brian · 10-05-2016, 16:19

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy

Dave is spouting unmittigated drivel now. Looks like project fear is eating itself alive.

The more loony the stay claims get, the more likely that a majority will vote for brexit.

Well he made another howler today the said Cameron by commenting at a reception for the Queen's Birthday that two countries were the most corrupt in the world not realising the mics could pick him up. hehe. Cameron OUT. Britain OUT!

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Originally Posted by Osem

Iain Duncan Smith making a speech on this subject now here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36050790

I haven't heard anything new yet but it seems to be concentrating on the negative impact of uncontrolled EU migration so far. More to come no doubt.

His argument aside, he is deeply uninspiring...

Actually there was a lot of truth in what he said. BBC did the math in Fact Check and proved him right.

**Damien** · 10-05-2016, 16:40

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

Actually there was a lot of truth in what he said. BBC did the math in Fact Check and proved him right.

Link?

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuPvviEaNWo

I used to have lectures in that very room. Go me.

Big Brian · 10-05-2016, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Damien

Link?

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I used to have lectures in that very room. Go me.

This is the Reality Check Link but it doesn't seem to be there yet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum

BBC are running a check on what he said every hour. BBC News Channel.

Scrap that check out this one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-po...endum-35603388

**Damien** · 10-05-2016, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Big Brian

This is the Reality Check Link but it doesn't seem to be there yet. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum

BBC are running a check on what he said every hour. BBC News Channel.

Scrap that check out this one http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-po...endum-35603388

That was last updated on the 9th?

Big Brian · 10-05-2016, 17:03

For our undecided friends and those who are voting remain, I've decided to try and help by getting a reality check from the BBC. Hare are the first few.

The claim: 100,000 jobs in north-east England are dependent on EU membership.

Reality Check verdict: The research does not suggest all these jobs are dependent on EU membership, so there is no reason to think they would all disappear if the UK left.

Read the full Reality Check here.

The claim: EU countries buy 44% of everything we sell abroad.

Reality Check verdict: The 44% figure is a bit of an overstatement, but not by more than about two percentage points.

Read the full Reality Check here.

The claim: Leaving the EU would put £250bn of trade at risk, according to Britain Stronger in Europe.

Reality Check: The group has taken a set of figures predicting the benefits of EU membership and used that to reach a figure for the risks of leaving. It would not necessarily work like that. Also, the figures include imports, a fall in which would not necessarily be a bad thing.

Read the full Reality Check here.

The claim: The UK exports five times as much to the EU as it does to the Commonwealth.

Reality Check verdict: Yes we do. The UK's export of goods and services to the Commonwealth in 2014 were worth £47.8bn. The comparable figure for the EU was £228.9bn. It's worth noting that the UK does plenty of business with countries that are part of neither group - for example, we sell twice as much to the USA as we do to our biggest EU partner, Germany.

Read the full Reality Check here.

Or read it all here : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-po...endum-35603388