Bakers who refused to make 'gay cake' say they felt 'victimised' - Page 12

Mythica · 12-10-2018, 16:05

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

Don't eat cake .

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On the Jeremy vine show yesterday a caller suggested going to Morrison as they will scan any picture and put it on a cake .

Not any picture they won't. I believe they have to follow copyright laws.

**Maggy** · 12-10-2018, 17:23

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Originally Posted by Angua

What happens when there is no alternative within a reasonable distance?

Make your own perhaps.

Mr K · 12-10-2018, 17:53

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Make your own perhaps.

Now that is the most constructive post in this thread

Angua · 12-10-2018, 18:01

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Make your own perhaps.

Smarter than that, I get my daughter to make one. She makes the most wonderful cakes.

Sephiroth · 12-10-2018, 18:31

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Originally Posted by Angua

Smarter than that, I get my daughter to make one. She makes the most wonderful cakes.

With a slogan that promotes minority rights?

Angua · 12-10-2018, 18:39

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth

With a slogan that promotes minority rights?

She wouldn't mind or care. One of her friends from 6th form is getting married to his boyfriend soon. He studied Theology at uni.

**Mick** · 12-10-2018, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Mr K

If the bakers refused to put 'Manchester United' on the cake (quite justifiably imho

), do you think that's ok ?

Yes, even if I supported the club, which I don't nor ever have.

Mr K · 12-10-2018, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Mick

Yes, even if I supported the club, which I don't nor ever have.

Very wise Mick, I always had you down as a City fan

Julian · 06-01-2022, 19:58

And now it finally appears to be over....

Ashers 'gay cake' case: European court rules case inadmissible

Mad Max · 06-01-2022, 20:02

Good, what a waste of time and money.

nomadking · 06-01-2022, 20:18

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Originally Posted by Julian

And now it finally appears to be over....

Ashers 'gay cake' case: European court rules case inadmissible

As is all too often, people not seeing past the headline.

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In their ruling on Thursday, the judges said the case was inadmissible because Mr Lee had not invoked his rights under the European Convention of Human Rights "at any point in the domestic proceedings" in the UK courts.
The judges decided that in order for a complaint to be admissible, "the Convention arguments must be raised explicitly or in substance before the domestic authorities".
"By relying solely on domestic law, the applicant had deprived the domestic courts of the opportunity to address any Convention issues raised, instead asking the court to usurp the role of the domestic courts.
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Mr Lee's lawyer, Ciaran Moynagh, said the ruling was a missed opportunity, and that Mr Lee was considering whether a fresh case could be pursued in the UK.

Once he does that in the UK, it starts all over again. The grounds used to bring the case to the ECHR, hadn't been brought before the UK courts.

Ultimately they didn't discriminate against him as a customer, they just weren't prepared to produce that specific item. Just as halal-only Subways are (illegally) allowed to operate.

**Paul** · 06-01-2022, 20:24

Huge waste of time and money, they should have just gone to another shop instead of being entitled pricks - and they wonder why so many people pick on them.

nomadking · 06-01-2022, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Paul

Huge waste of time and money, they should have just gone to another shop instead of being entitled pricks - and they wonder why so many people pick on them.

You're assuming their choice of bakers wasn't intentionally vindictive and discriminatory.

**Paul** · 06-01-2022, 20:31

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Originally Posted by nomadking

You're assuming their choice of bakers wasn't intentionally vindictive and discriminatory.

True, I am giving them the benefit of doubt on that, but it would not surprise me if they did it deliberately.

**Chris** · 06-01-2022, 21:14

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Originally Posted by nomadking

You're assuming their choice of bakers wasn't intentionally vindictive and discriminatory.

On the contrary - the bakers’ defence throughout has been that they were nothing of the sort. They have said so under oath. It is no mere assumption to hold that position with regard to this case.

This has always been an argument that an individual cannot be compelled to speak contrary to their conscience. The bakers have stated repeatedly that they were happy to sell the plaintiff any cake in their shop but that they would not create a product containing a slogan contrary to their own sincerely held religious belief.

Compelled speech is, and must always be, prevented in law.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

As is all too often, people not seeing past the headline.
Once he does that in the UK, it starts all over again. The grounds used to bring the case to the ECHR, hadn't been brought before the UK courts.

Ultimately they didn't discriminate against him as a customer, they just weren't prepared to produce that specific item. Just as halal-only Subways are (illegally) allowed to operate.

I would be surprised if they are allowed to bring a fresh case on new grounds. It would ultimately be the same complaint, just with different legal arguments to be presented. Were they to try, it’s likely Ashers’ lawyers would move to have them declared vexatious litigants, which is not something you want against your name.