Traffic Management Policy

[cook1984]

Thanks Peter, I too will be very interested in the results. I suppose VM will say "get a business connection" but are they allowing residential sites to have them these days? I'd be tempted to shell out for one but would hammer it 24/7 on principal.

The annoying thing is I don't download that much, it's just that when I do I don't want it to be at ~100k/sec.

[pip08456]

There's a long thread over on the VM site about VPN problems.

If anyone cares to look it's here.

[qasdfdsaq]

VM's shaping is (theoretically) done on a per-protocol basis, and there's a half dozen different protocols for VPN, some which may be shaped and others not. Some VPNs use SSL which is indistinguishable from secure web traffic anyway.

That said I've had weird results too, for example double the speed using port 81 vs. port 80 for the same protocol. Still can't figure it out.

[Uncle Peter]

Originally Posted by cook1984

Thanks Peter, I too will be very interested in the results. I suppose VM will say "get a business connection" but are they allowing residential sites to have them these days? I'd be tempted to shell out for one but would hammer it 24/7 on principal.

The annoying thing is I don't download that much, it's just that when I do I don't want it to be at ~100k/sec.

To be honest, there's very little difference gone half past midnight so I suspect that in this case it's down to how my router behaves when passing through IPSEC/L2TP traffic.

When I have a bit more time I'll try it with a couple of other protocols.

[qasdfdsaq]

I thought the business cable shared the same lines, equipment, and qos as the residential service, so it would in theory be affected by the same bug.

[cook1984]

qasdfdsaq: It looks like they are trying to be a bit too clever with their limiting rules. Encrypted traffic on port 80 is most likely not HTTP but some other protocol that uses port 80 because it is normally un-retarded.

Although business packages share the same lines as residential the throttling used to be different. No business would be happy if they hit their limits during business hours and could no longer function. I used to work in IT support and experienced that happen once, and it was not pretty. IIRC VM only used to throttle business customers in the late evenings which while not quite as stupid isn't that helpful either if you need to do updates and backups around that time.

Peter: Thanks for checking it out, I look forward to seeing your results.

I am experimenting with a script for my router that automatically manages traffic during STM periods (i.e. most of the time). It counts the amount of data* that is sent and when it sees that even maxed out STM would not kick in towards the end of the period it ramps up any outstanding downloads to the maximum. On a good day it can get with 3Mb of the limit just before 9PM.

VM need to offer an interference free connection as an option. I'd pay (a bit) more for it. Even 50 meg is limited.

[qasdfdsaq]

Well it was normal HTTP, not encrypted traffic. I was getting peeved I was only getting 2.5 meg from a 100mbit dedicated server so changed to port to 81 and hey presto, 5 meg.

Changed to encrypted FTP on port 21000 and hey presto, 49 meg. Go figure.

Also, nice idea on the script. I've been considering something similar for mine when upload STM gets implemented on my line, though that's likely so far off I haven't looked at it in detail yet. What router firmware do you use and what kind of script are you running?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by cook1984

VM need to offer an interference free connection as an option. I'd pay (a bit) more for it. Even 50 meg is limited.

That's the rub sadly.

[cook1984]

I use a Tomato based Buffalo router. It is designed for the older style Japanese 100/100 fibre connections so it is pretty hardcore and it was cheap. Everything is moving to 1000/1000 over there now so non-gigabit routers are all on end-of-line sale.

I used to think we were about 10 years behind Japan. We got imode for mobile phones almost exactly 10 years after it launched there. Internet wise it depends what BT do since no-one else seems to be interested in running fibre to the home on a large scale but it looks like we will probably go well beyond the 10 year mark. Widespread fibre to the cabinet has been about 10 years for cable and by BT's current estimates will be 15 years for ADSL, probably more.

In some aspects are phones have caught up a lot now but our sat-navs are still well, well behind with seemingly no chance of ever catching up. Over there they love data and local government keeps track of all road works, accidents and traffic flow. In-dash sat-nav is standard and they use a wireless connection to display all that information even when you are not using the navigation features. Over here we just don't collect that data beyond some vague warnings put out by the Highways Agency so even 15 or 20 years is looking optimistic at this point

[qasdfdsaq]

Japan also has three times the suicide rate of our country. Don't suppose you wanna catch up on that too?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Japan also has three times the suicide rate of our country. Don't suppose you wanna catch up on that too?

How utterly irrelevant.

Point still stands that we're way behind the Japanese in terms of technology. Bringing suicide rates into the discussion is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

How utterly irrelevant.

Point still stands that we're way behind the Japanese in terms of technology. Bringing suicide rates into the discussion is ridiculous.

This may be more relevant - Economics Help

The UK public sector debt is predicted to rise from 40% of GDP last year, to 100% of GDP by 2014.

Japan by comparison already has a public sector deficit of 218% this year and a predicted deficit of 246% by 2014.

Japan has a real problem in the unprecedented scale of its fiscal deficit. It also has a real problem with deflation. Japanese consumer prices fell 2.4% in September, the largest on record.

Exports have fallen 31% after the great recession and a rapid appreciation of the Yen.

I would imagine a lot of that debt was due to the Government central planning and funding of R&D and Infrastructure, including Internet Infrastructure (but willing to be proven wrong).

[Chrysalis]

deflation is good for us mere peasants?

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Hugh

This may be more relevant - Economics Help
I would imagine a lot of that debt was due to the Government central planning and funding of R&D and Infrastructure, including Internet Infrastructure (but willing to be proven wrong).

I think it's simpler than that, not so much government expenditure as the government offered incentives but didn't build the networks, an ageing and long lived population and a nominal tax take of approximately 27.5% of GDP coupled with years of deflation and expensive exports.

The geography of Japan also lends itself to such an enterprise.

Here we have regulations in place which actively prevent the incumbent from replacing copper with fibre and levy taxation on investments in infrastructure along with 'NIMBY' attitudes towards infrastructure deployment and a serious lack of joined up thinking in civil engineering work.

One big thing Japan has that we dont - cable forests.







http://www.dannychoo.com/post/en/165...+Internet.html

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis

deflation is good for us mere peasants?

No it really isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflation#Effects

[Chrysalis]

I dont understand the terms 'unsightly' etc.

I couldnt give a toss having a cable forest here if it means a decent connection.