The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 2

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Damien

Not to convert you but I still wonder why you worry about their status on the Army because they want to increase their pay to public sector levels, spend trident money on conventional forces, and they wouldn't have sent people to Iraq.

Anyway I agree Brown has lost this debate. He just doesn't get involved.

How big will the armed forces be though on this higher pay? It's like saying "We're going to increase nurses' pay, but we're also going to get rid of 1/3 of them"

Originally Posted by Chris

A brief interlude for a spot of tittle-tattle and knockabout nonsense. Here's a photo of Gordon Brown's next-door neighbour back home in Fife, with the latest addition to his front garden:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...nd/8623543.stm

Wouldn't it be hilarious for Brown to lose his seat?

Well I thought Clegg won but I hear Cameron did from the polls...althought it depends on the poll

[Sirius]

Well after round one Clegg was the winner but i am still going to vote Conservative because i just cannot put the libs in charge of our defence. Cleggs indication that he would get rid of Trident ensured that..

Originally Posted by Damien

Well I thought Clegg won but I hear Cameron did from the polls...althought it depends on the poll

Linkage? What poll is that?

Originally Posted by Chris

Linkage? What poll is that?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Election/ITVdebatepolling

Very interesting real-time polling data on BBC news right now. Live stream:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

Early poll from UKGOV says Glegg won. Sky Poll says Cameron won by clear margin.

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Sirius

I have to say Clegg is doing well, Its a shame he is in charge of a party i will never vote for because i cannot agree with there tree hugger policies. Brown has lost this debate completely and i hope the election . Its such a same Clegg is a liberal democrat or he would have changed my vote because of his performance.

As I asked before, which "tree hugger" policies are they then?

[And going back to an earlier question, "What obvious sucking up to Labour"?]

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35001355-post77.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post34998633

Originally Posted by Sirius

I don't have a problem with there pay increase, However what use is an army against nuclear weapons if your army does not have them to defend yourself with should you be attacked by those that have them.

Clegg will get rid of them and possibly leave us open to attack from those that are striving to own these weapons. The problem with the Libs is that they would role over rather than defend and removing our Nuclear deterrent shows there true colours

http://www.libdems.org.uk/defence.aspx

http://www.libdems.org.uk/siteFiles/...%20Defence.pdf

Originally Posted by Lib Dem's on Defence

No to like-for-like Trident. Full-scale Trident is a Cold War system intended for a by-gone age. It is unnecessary and, at £100bn over a lifetime, it is unaffordable. We will hold a full defence review to establish the best alternative for Britain’s future security.

http://network.libdems.org.uk/manife...festo_2010.pdf

Originally Posted by Lib Dem Manifesto

• Saying no to the like-for-like replacement of the Trident nuclear
weapons system, which could cost £100 billion. We will hold a full
defence review to establish the best alternative for Britain’s future
security.

Given the state of the economy, & given the kind of cuts needed, is it *really* worth spending that much money on a full like-for-like replacement of Trident? [Note that they haven't said "We will completely & utterly scrap the UK's nuclear deterrent".]

And besides... Who would nuke us? Seriously? Surely the biggest nuclear threat against us at the moment is the threat of a terrorist nuclear attack, rather than an attack by a nation? You can't nuke terrorists in retaliation...

But if we were nuked, and we did not have our own nuclear deterrent anymore whatsoever (which isn't what is actually being proposed), then as we are a member of NATO & an ally of the US, the US would retaliate for us, as an attack on one NATO member is an attack on all.

For me, it's their views on Europe that make the Lib Dems unelectable. I really don't want to be on the receiving end of a massive PR campaign, sponsored by a Lib Dem Government, aimed at persuading the UK to vote for the Euro in a referendum.

Well, I think that Clegg came across best of the three, Cameron second and Brown a sore last.

Whilst i do not agree with some of Cleggs policies he did have some good ones on immigration - based upon those of Canada / Austrailia etc.

Cameron was full of good sound bytes but still came across well.

Brown was just on the back foot in my opinion.

But then again, they are all salesmen, make of that what you will, who will I vote for? Still undecided is my answer.

ITV Poll says Clegg won by clear margin.

[danielf]

ITV Overall winner: 43% for Clegg, 26% for Cameron, 20% Brown, 11% undecided.

The Sun YouGov Poll:

Clegg 51, Cameron 29, Brown 19

[Ignitionnet]

Sky poll reckons Brown did, though it doesn't make a huge amount of sense. Brown 35%, Clegg 33%, Cameron 32%. Loads of contradicting data elsewhere in the polls so I would hazard a guess it's due to lack of weighting on the poll.

[Peter_]

I just took the voting survey and I got a 4 way split of parties that I will not vote for in this election.

http://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey.../4BC785654A8A4