All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

[supremus]

Originally Posted by TraxData

No effect what so ever? tell that to people who have had bills for PPV they have not watched, filmflex movies they have not ordered...all because some *aherm* has a cloned box and is ordering everything (including VOD purchases)

The illegal boxes in question use software emulation, not cloning.

It also has an effect on the bandwith, so where you got ur "no effect" from is beyond me?

There's no effect on the bandwidth, except with VOD services, which these boxes have no access to.

Final verdict: No effect.

Originally Posted by supremus

The illegal boxes in question use software emulation, not cloning.

There's no effect on the bandwidth, except with VOD services, which these boxes have no access to.

Final verdict: No effect.

This shows just how much you know of the VM network, even with the boxes that dont use softtalk (cloning) someone gets the bill for those PPV events, i have seen this happen and had the misfortune to have subscribers shouting at me because of it.

They have access to filmflex and PPV, some of that is HD, again if you say it has no effect on bandwith then your mistaken.

[mertle]

[quote=the-cable-guy;34525931

mate most ppl who have dodgy receivers pay for the cheapest VM TV package, so from what your saying what their doing is ok cuz they'v paid a subscription.

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You miss understood If they are just using a tuner card to get the exact service they currently subscribe I would have less reservations. PPL who buying the minimum and getting more is hugely wrong.

Like I said if people just merely trying increase functuality of there subscribed service I would have less issue. Although again it does breach T&C of service.

However traxdata came up with very good point that our bandwidth is being pushed to the limit by those who thief. So we are therefore suffering by those who steal. It also must be losing VM tons of money which inturn would reduce there debt and make it so they could improve service and upgrade.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by mertle

You miss understood If they are just using a tuner card to get the exact service they currently subscribe I would have less reservations. PPL who buying the minimum and getting more is hugely wrong.

Like I said if people just merely trying increase functuality of there subscribed service I would have less issue. Although again it does breach T&C of service.

However traxdata came up with very good point that our bandwidth is being pushed to the limit by those who thief. So we are therefore suffering by those who steal. It also must be losing VM tons of money which inturn would reduce there debt and make it so they could improve service and upgrade.

mate its still illegal.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by TraxData

This shows just how much you know of the VM network, even with the boxes that dont use softtalk (cloning) someone gets the bill for those PPV events, i have seen this happen and had the misfortune to have subscribers shouting at me because of it.

There are some serious book-keeping problems at VM HQ if someone gets billed for someone else accessing a stream that's going into their house anyway.

They have access to filmflex and PPV, some of that is HD, again if you say it has no effect on bandwith then your mistaken.

Such instances, and the tiny amount of bandwidth a VOD channel uses, would be too insignificant to be considered a problem for legal subscribers or the network as a whole.

Final verdict: No effect.

Originally Posted by mertle

However traxdata came up with very good point that our bandwidth is being pushed to the limit by those who thief.

Not true.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by supremus

But breaking your contract would surely be a civil offence, not a criminal one.

true but its still illegal.

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Originally Posted by supremus

There are some serious book-keeping problems at VM HQ if someone gets billed for someone else accessing a stream that's going into their house anyway.

Such instances, and the tiny amount of bandwidth a VOD channel uses, would be too insignificant to be considered a problem for legal subscribers or the network as a whole.

Final verdict: No effect.

lol there is an effect mate.

Originally Posted by supremus

There are some serious book-keeping problems at VM HQ if someone gets billed for someone else accessing a stream that's going into their house anyway.

Such instances, and the tiny amount of bandwidth a VOD channel uses, would be too insignificant to be considered a problem for legal subscribers or the network as a whole.

Final verdict: No effect.

Not true.

Again you show you have no idea how the VM network works, but thats ok.

Insignificant? obviously you have no idea how much bandwith VOD/PPV/HD streams use.

Let me guess, your also one who believes people with cloned modems also have no effect on the network right?

To say they have no effect, if you worked at VM you'd know half the over subscribed area's are from people stealing the services.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

true but its still illegal.

No chance of you going to jail, like someone else suggested.

lol there is an effect mate.

In terms of bandwidth, too insignificant to be considered an issue for legal subscribers.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by supremus

No chance of you going to jail, like someone else suggested.

In terms of bandwidth, too insignificant to be considered an issue for legal subscribers.

true its very unlikely that you'd get sent down for it, however its still illegal.

not if your in an over subscribed area.

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Originally Posted by TraxData

Again you show you have no idea how the VM network works, but thats ok.

Insignificant? obviously you have no idea how much bandwith VOD/PPV/HD streams use.

Let me guess, your also one who believes people with cloned modems also have no effect on the network right?

To say they have no effect, if you worked at VM you'd know half the over subscribed area's are from people stealing the services.

agreed

[supremus]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Again you show you have no idea how the VM network works, but thats ok.

Insignificant? obviously you have no idea how much bandwith VOD/PPV/HD streams use.

SD VOD standards average 2-3mbit, as far as I'm told. Very few pirate boxes are HD compatible, so not an issue.

Let me guess, your also one who believes people with cloned modems also have no effect on the network right?

No, that clearly does have an effect. Different issue, though.

To say they have no effect, if you worked at VM you'd know half the over subscribed area's are from people stealing the services.

It's up to VM to disconnect feeds going to non-subscribers. If someone has a minimum subscription, the bandwidth capacity used by a dodgy box is not an issue.

Final verdict: No effect.

[the-cable-guy]

yes it is an issue cuz their using more bandwidth then they'v been allocated, even more so if they're using PPV & not paying for it.

Originally Posted by supremus

SD VOD standards average 2-3mbit, as far as I'm told. Very few pirate boxes are HD compatible, so not an issue.

No, that clearly does have an effect. Different issue, though.

It's up to VM to disconnect feeds going to non-subscribers. If someone has a minimum subscription, the bandwidth capacity used by a dodgy box is not an issue.

Final verdict: No effect.

2-3mbit you say, ok say thats true, multiply that by about 30-40 people who are illegally recieving services in that street/area alone, the bandwith bill really adds up, so yes it does have an effect, let's not forget most of the stealers also have a minimum package (net/tv) as well adding up to it.

Funny, i've seen quite a few that can do HD...and watching h264 1080p chews up alot of bandwith that i can assure you.

They do disconnect them when they are caught, problem is some local tech goes and wires everything back up for a tenner, OR and i have seen this happen many times (and even reported it to the police) people have the keys to the cabs and wire themself's back up.

I've also seen techs get threatened by people stealing services after he disconnected them all, the whole street was out in a gang with baseball bats telling him to either put them all back on or face the beating of his life, it's really not a nice experience to be in, fortunetly when it happened to me there was a fair few other techs with me and the police turned up.

[supremus]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

yes it is an issue cuz their using more bandwidth then they'v been allocated, even more so if they're using PPV & not paying for it.

HD PPV maybe, but the vast majority of boxes aren't HD compatible or have VOD access, so the effect on other subscribers is insignificant. Probably less of a problem than VM's own accounting problems or potentially illegal fees.

I would be curious to hear TraxData's views on how this all breaks down in terms of numbers, though, or yours, if you have any insight into this. How big a percentage of the illegal boxes do VM believe have HD or VOD access? And surely cloned boxes aren't affected by these latest efforts anyway?

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Originally Posted by TraxData

2-3mbit you say, ok say thats true, multiply that by about 30-40 people who are illegally recieving services in that street/area alone, the bandwith bill really adds up, so yes it does have an effect, let's not forget most of the stealers also have a minimum package (net/tv) as well adding up to it.

I will grant you the issue where people are leeching off a non-subscribed feed, but I maintain it's VM's job to make sure those are disconnected. It doesn't add to bandwidth usage if people have a minimum subscription, though. Anyway, like I said above, I would be interested in hearing your views on how many cloned/HD/HD compatible boxes are believed to be around? My impression is that most boxes are SD-only software emulated boxes.

Funny, i've seen quite a few that can do HD...and watching h264 1080p chews up alot of bandwith that i can assure you.

Given the grand total of 20 minutes worth of HD that's available with Virgin (rough estimate), not an issue.

I've also seen techs get threatened by people stealing services after he disconnected them all, the whole street was out in a gang with baseball bats telling him to either put them all back on or face the beating of his life, it's really not a nice experience to be in, fortunetly when it happened to me there was a fair few other techs with me and the police turned up.

How Virgin enforce their disconnections is a different issue, though.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by supremus

HD PPV maybe, but the vast majority of boxes aren't HD compatible or have VOD access, so the effect on other subscribers is insignificant. Probably less of a problem than VM's own accounting problems or potentially illegal fees.

i havent seen any HD hacked receivers however iv seen standard ones. so your telling me that ppl using PPV for free doesnt effect the network ? ok then roflmao

[supremus]

Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

i havent seen any HD hacked receivers however iv seen standard ones. so your telling me that ppl using PPV for free doesnt effect the network ? ok then roflmao

I'm saying the vast majority of boxes don't have VOD access, and the small amount that do isn't enough for it to be a significant issue. I'm not 100% up to date on this, but I believe PPV events like wrestling and boxing are broadcast on a "regular" channel, as opposed to the ones only activated for VOD. Is this not correct?