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Originally Posted by paulyoung666

what i cant work out is ..... , ho many years have they run there now , 4/5 or more and they couldnt provide a tyre that was suitable , summat wrong here

the tracks been diamond cut since laast year so .therefore its more abrasive so you can't use previous years tyre info.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by andy 1

the tracks been diamond cut since laast year so .therefore its more abrasive so you can't use previous years tyre info.

Also the current incarnation of F1 cars (if you'll pardon the pun) have less downforce, meaning the tyres are more likely to slide and thus put more stress on them.

Personally I would like to see tyre changes in the pits again, it makes it more exciting (due to teamwork) and could *maybe* solve this problem...

Who knows, but personally i think this seasons rules suck.

[Matth]

Looking at the FIA site, I look with dismay at:
http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...160605-02.html#

This Mickey Mouse Formula!

There are OTHER formulas which are much more "unified" ... F1 is expensive, high tech - SO?
If teams don't have the budhget to compete, then they can drop out - why should the teams that CAN do it, be eviscerated to the level of those that can't?

Maybe a more unified formula where the drivers make much more difference, would be better, but it would not be F1 - and if F1's time has passed, then it's time for something different to replace it.

Roll on the breakaway!

Originally Posted by Matth

Looking at the FIA site, I look with dismay at:
http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...160605-02.html#

This Mickey Mouse Formula!

There are OTHER formulas which are much more "unified" ... F1 is expensive, high tech - SO?
If teams don't have the budhget to compete, then they can drop out - why should the teams that CAN do it, be eviscerated to the level of those that can't?

Maybe a more unified formula where the drivers make much more difference, would be better, but it would not be F1 - and if F1's time has passed, then it's time for something different to replace it.

Roll on the breakaway!

I agree, looks like they are hell bent on sapping the enjoyment factor (from watching) out of it...

Sad, just sad...

[Graham]

Originally Posted by Matth

Looking at the FIA site, I look with dismay at:

What makes me laugh most in that is the phrase "Formula One must not be allowed to become a money-spending competition. "

What's this "must not be alllowed" business? What the hell is it now?!

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by andy 1

the tracks been diamond cut since laast year so .therefore its more abrasive so you can't use previous years tyre info.

correct , it is more abrasive , so therefore , tyre wear is going to be more agressive , this wasnt the issue

Originally Posted by Graham

Also the current incarnation of F1 cars (if you'll pardon the pun) have less downforce, meaning the tyres are more likely to slide and thus put more stress on them.

and you are trying to tell me that they couldnt work out the imposed loads on the tyres

Originally Posted by Graham

What makes me laugh most in that is the phrase "Formula One must not be allowed to become a money-spending competition. "

What's this "must not be alllowed" business? What the hell is it now?!

Exactly

[Hom3r]

Putting on my Health & Safety hat.

I'm not a lover of the french, but I'm 101% behind Michelin, they did the correct thing, with 9 non dangerous incidents, and 2 major.
They will take a lot of flak.

Removing my Health & Safety hat

The teams couldn't go against Michelin because if an accident happened the teams would have been liable, and risked been sued up to the eye-balls.

Max & Bernie should resign imediately without any golden million pound handshake.

With the news that the 7 teams face penalties , it would been great if they threaten to boycott the French GP (along with the 2 Bridgestone teams that make up the 9 breakaway teams).

They should introduce a rule that they need at least 7-8 teams agree to changes rather than 100% agreement.

Originally Posted by david.ewles

Putting on my Health & Safety hat.

I'm not a lover of the french, but I'm 101% behind Michelin, they did the correct thing, with 9 non dangerous incidents, and 2 major.
They will take a lot of flak.

Removing my Health & Safety hat

The teams couldn't go against Michelin because if an accident happened the teams would have been liable, and risked been sued up to the eye-balls.

Max & Bernie should resign imediately without any golden million pound handshake.

With the news that the 7 teams face penalties , it would been great if they threaten to boycott the French GP (along with the 2 Bridgestone teams that make up the 9 breakaway teams).

They should introduce a rule that they need at least 7-8 teams agree to changes rather than 100% agreement.

With H&S hat still on...

Why the f should the teams be facing penalties for eering on the side of caution? I thought that was what it weas all about?

H&S Hat off...

Would have liked to have seen 'some sort of a race' though....

[Graham]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

and you are trying to tell me that they couldnt work out the imposed loads on the tyres

AIUI it wasn't simply a matter of the imposed loads, but also the amount of heat that was generated in the tyre and that it wasn't being dissipated sufficiently which was causing the junction between the side wall and the tread to fail.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Graham

AIUI it wasn't simply a matter of the imposed loads, but also the amount of heat that was generated in the tyre and that it wasn't being dissipated sufficiently which was causing the junction between the side wall and the tread to fail.

sorry but i still find it hard to believe that they could not forsee it happening

[Graham]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

sorry but i still find it hard to believe that they could not forsee it happening

But that's with 20/20 hindsight.

The fact that they had to take the tyres to a laboratory to test before they even knew *what* had caused Ralph Schumacher's crash suggests that it was well outside their usual experiences.

[paulyoung666]

Originally Posted by Graham

But that's with 20/20 hindsight.

The fact that they had to take the tyres to a laboratory to test before they even knew *what* had caused Ralph Schumacher's crash suggests that it was well outside their usual experiences.

fair comment , i am still skeptical tbh , something is definitely not right here , think about it , how many years have michelin been in the sport ??? , and there was no way they could have forseen this , having said that , i hope this is the last time it happens , as i see it , this could potentially kill off F1 in america unless there is some serious humble pie eating going on

[iadom]

Originally Posted by paulyoung666

fair comment , i am still skeptical tbh , something is definitely not right here , think about it , how many years have michelin been in the sport ??? , and there was no way they could have forseen this , having said that , i hope this is the last time it happens , as i see it , this could potentially kill off F1 in america unless there is some serious humble pie eating going on

How many years have Boeing been building airplanes, it doesn't stop the odd one from crashing, your hypothosis suggests that Michelin knew the tyres would fail, something I find even harder to believe.