What did hit the Pentagon? - Page 12

Mr_love_monkey · 02-02-2008, 11:46

Personally I think it was Superman that did it.

Stuart · 02-02-2008, 14:15

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Originally Posted by shawty

So now we are in 2008, over 6 years have passed. Does anyone here still believe there is a conspiracy to 9/11? Ive been reading another forum where someone has started asking the same old questions again that have not only been asked millions of times, but also answered the same amount of times.

That's the beauty of conspiracy theories.. They stay around. Even if actual evidence that proves the theory wrong is produced, hey, that's part of the conspiracy.

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Well, I think builders did it. After all, one made an awful lot of money from rebuilding the affected area..

j/k.

BBKing · 02-02-2008, 15:54

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why would you bother flying a plane into the Pentagon? What would be the point?

What would be the point in an organisation dedicated to asserting the power of Islam against the US military machine that's camped out in the Holy Places in Saudi Arabia (while arming its sworn enemies the Israelis and Saudi royals) attacking the building that symbolises and controls that machine? Good question.

Xaccers · 02-02-2008, 22:39

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Originally Posted by BBKing

What would be the point in an organisation dedicated to asserting the power of Islam against the US military machine that's camped out in the Holy Places in Saudi Arabia (while arming its sworn enemies the Israelis and Saudi royals) attacking the building that symbolises and controls that machine? Good question.

Lets not forget that Osama Bin Laden was rather partial to the house of Saud until they spurned his offer to defend their country from Saddam with a bunch of Saudi criminals which had been sent to Afghanistan to die - er sorry - fight the soviets, in favour of a "proper" army supplied by Bush Snr.
Being somewhat mentally unstable (judging by the anecdote of a certain BBC journalist who Osama got rather upset over when no one would shoot him) Osama took it personally and turned against the Sauds.
Bad Osama, go sit in a cave... oh wait...

BBKing · 03-02-2008, 07:41

He turned against Saud when they started allowing US troops on Saudi soil, presumably.

Also often overlooked is that when the US was throwing weapons and money at jihadis in Afghanistan, bin Laden refused (extremely angrily)*. He of course had money of his own, but it's instructive as to his mindset. The guys we did throw money to either ended up as our pet warlords or as Taliban supporters, and occasionally both, at various times. What they aren't, and never will be, are nice, safe puppet democrats. Drug dealers and murderers, more like.

* Unusually for a Middle Eastern terrorist he's a lot more anti-US than anti-Israel, as can be seen by the relatively few al-Qaeda attacks on Israeli targets. The vast majority are either on Western economic interests or the US military, with Muslim nations who rely on Western tourism in there too. The plan appears to be to try and undermine pro-western regimes in Muslim countries and to weaken the US economically, which seems to be working with the amount of cash going up in smoke in Iraq.

Hom3r · 16-09-2010, 21:26

OK, OK, I know this is an old thread but with the rescent anniversary I've been watch the documentarys aswell as printing out a 440 page document on 9/11, and have several problems with it.

1. The Pentagon is one of the most secure building in the world (even before 9/11) and the only video they have of the "Plane" crashing in to the Pentagon is crap 1 second frame video, surely this building would have better video than a corner shop. Even banks have better video.

2. The "plane" happened to crash into a largely unoccupied section of the building which was being/had been refurbished.

3. The "Planes" engines are approx 6ft across, and weigh about 1 ton, and theres not even a mark from the 1 ton engines which were travelling at around 500mph.

http://911research.wtc7.net/

**Hugh** · 16-09-2010, 21:45

Tired after long day, but

2. 125 people died at the Pentagon
3. Snopes

**Damien** · 16-09-2010, 21:58

Homer, these documentaries are made to make everything really self-evident and they do this by framing the question in such a way that a responsible person would be forced to draw the conclusion the makers of the documentary did.

As an example, for 9/11, they talk about the passports of the bombers surviving. How is it, they ask, that everything else burns up but the passports of the suspects? Fair enough, seems odd! However they don't mention all the other bits of paper, luggage and material that survived. Suddenly it's not so odd.

They ask why 'no other buildings of this type, after a fire, has fallen like the WTC did'. They neglect to mention that there were are no other buildings with the same central support pillar type of build.

Often you need not to ponder the answer to the question but the question itself and these conspiracies fall apart.

idi banashapan · 16-09-2010, 22:08

what makes me wonder is that out of arround 3500 people who lost their lives in the twin towers, only around 400 had any part of their body found. these parts (according to the investigations and a documentary regarding the investigations) were mainly of odd body parts that had remained after the collapse. parts such as a thumb and splints of bone to name a couple.

yet they apparently managed to find the torso of one of the 'terrorists' and identified 3 of the remaining terrorists via body parts found in the aftermath of the collapse. a whole torso!?!?!? flesh and blood remained intact after flying into a building at +400mph, sitting in a raging inferno for quite some time, then a monumentous collapse which had enough force to completely remove all trace of a touch over 3000 other people. Even more impressive when (and some might say conveniently), neither of the aircrafts black boxes (which are MADE to withstand slamming into the ground at break-neck speeds) managed to survive the atrocity.

makes me think...

gazzae · 16-09-2010, 22:14

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan

what makes me wonder is that out of arround 3500 people who lost their lives in the twin towers, only around 400 had any part of their body found. these parts (according to the investigations and a documentary regarding the investigations) were mainly of odd body parts that had remained after the collapse. parts such as a thumb and splints of bone to name a couple.

yet they apparently managed to find the torso of one of the 'terrorists' and identified 3 of the remaining terrorists via body parts found in the aftermath of the collapse. a whole torso!?!?!? flesh and blood remained intact after flying into a building at +400mph, sitting in a raging inferno for quite some time, then a monumentous collapse which had enough force to completely remove all trace of a touch over 3000 other people. Even more impressive when (and some might say conveniently), neither of the aircrafts black boxes (which are MADE to withstand slamming into the ground at break-neck speeds) managed to survive the atrocity.

makes me think...

There were human remains found at the WTC for around 1600 people.

Kymmy · 16-09-2010, 22:21

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan

what makes me wonder is that out of arround 3500 people who lost their lives in the twin towers, only around 400 had any part of their body found. these parts (according to the investigations and a documentary regarding the investigations) were mainly of odd body parts that had remained after the collapse. parts such as a thumb and splints of bone to name a couple.

yet they apparently managed to find the torso of one of the 'terrorists' and identified 3 of the remaining terrorists via body parts found in the aftermath of the collapse. a whole torso!?!?!? flesh and blood remained intact after flying into a building at +400mph, sitting in a raging inferno for quite some time, then a monumentous collapse which had enough force to completely remove all trace of a touch over 3000 other people. Even more impressive when (and some might say conveniently), neither of the aircrafts black boxes (which are MADE to withstand slamming into the ground at break-neck speeds) managed to survive the atrocity.

makes me think...

Your figures are way out, there's been over 1500+ people identified...

As for torsos versus black boxes I don't see how you could compare two items that have different impact and decelleration characteristics.. It's like dropping a snooker ball and a orange from the top of a building onto concrete, the snooker ball would shatter and be unrecognizable yet the orange would be squished but still be recognizable as an orange

idi banashapan · 16-09-2010, 22:25

I'm only going by what the documentary gave as apparent fact the other night. all the same, chances are.....? 2000 never have a part of them found, yet a terrorists torso, who was on the plane (probably near the front), slams into a building at +400mph, burns for an hour or two, then gets crushed by at least half a skyscrapper, then has his entire (or majority of) torso found in the debrit? really? i mean, really? do you not question this?

but like I said, a black box is designed to survive the very event of a crash...

is there really not a part of you that finds the official facts the littlest bit strange sometimes?

Kymmy · 16-09-2010, 22:32

Nope, mainly as there's a lot about what happened that day which we'll never know...

Every question which yourself and others have asked fall into the catagory of "We don't know as we don't have enough information" and as such all theories are simply unproven..

idi banashapan · 16-09-2010, 22:38

oh totally agree, don't get me wrong... we don't know the full facts and never will. and I'm not saying there is a conspiracy, before the tin-hat brigade wade in here!!!! this is merely my personal view from what I have been presented with as being fact by alleged official investigators. and to be clear, my view is that it [the aforementioned] seems unlikely to me.

the chances of 4 terrorists being positively identified considering they were on the planes when ~2000 others never had a nail or nose from them found still strikes me as tipping the scales in favour of 'Yeah, right'!

Kymmy · 16-09-2010, 22:38

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan

I'm only going by what the documentary gave as apparent fact the other night.

What year was the documentary produced???

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Originally Posted by idi banashapan

but like I said, a black box is designed to survive the very event of a crash

Nope, it's designed to survive a certain impact, it's not rare for black boxes to be totally destroyed

Take for example the Athens crash in Aug 2005 which has been proven that people survived the crash but not the following fire.. Yet one of the black boxed was destroyed