[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[heero_yuy]

Dave is spouting unmittigated drivel now. Looks like project fear is eating itself alive.

The more loony the stay claims get, the more likely that a majority will vote for brexit.

[Osem]

My God the scaremongering is getting worse - now it's WWIII which will ensue if we dare to leave the EU.

Listening to the PM, he made such a powerful argument didn't he. It's just a pity he didn't make the same powerful and passionate argument to the Eurocrats he was supposedly trying to get a deal from. It strikes me that if they were so worried about impending doom, they'd have tried a lot harder to keep us in. Odd that they're so worried now...

I really didn't know the UK was so important. Not that long ago they likes of the French were telling us to stop the whining and get out if we don't like it. Now there's a good chance we're going to do just that, they're telling us the whole world depends on us staying in. They'll be telling us the ice caps will melt faster if we dare to leave next. It's really quite laughable. Clearly some very powerful people don't like the idea of strong, independent nations acting in their own interests. They'd far rather the many were subjugated by the few and IIRC that's what we were fighting about in WWII.

IMHO war in the EU is a lot more likely if the EU remains fixed on its current course, bludgeoning member states into doing what they're told with a big fat club made in Germany and wielded by Brussels.

[techguyone]

NATO was formed to prevent a repeat of WW2, not the EEC as was. Does the European Economic Community sound like an elite fighting force?

[pip08456]

This is just a rehashing of a speach by Jean-Claude Junker in March.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-David-Cameron

[Osem]

Originally Posted by techguyone

NATO was formed to prevent a repeat of WW2, not the EEC as was. Does the European Economic Community sound like an elite fighting force?

It seems to me that EU expansion to the east is one of the things which is rattling Russia's cage and I think that's far more likely to start the fighting as we've seen in Ukraine.

It does seem overkill although the speech didn't quite match the headlines preceding it. It was rather the 'EU kept the peace' argument rather than a 'there will be a war' argument.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by pip08456

This is just a rehashing of a speach by Jean-Claude Junker in March.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-David-Cameron

Are you suggesting that the PM is a marionette with the EU pulling one set of strings and the US the other?

[techguyone]

I hadn't considered the Eastward European former Warsaw Pact Countries coming into EU hands, it's no secret the Russians are antsy about that.

[Mr K]

There will also be a plague of locusts in the event of Brexit, and famine will be widespread. Time all Tory boys did as Dave tells them and vote Remain, do as you're told.

Seriously, he is starting to sound desperate, some private polling not going well ? The more he spins this cobblers, the more it's likely to have the opposite effect, just as Obama backfired. The economic argument should be more than enough, and is likely to have most effect. Nothing sways people's votes more than their own wealth/prosperity.

Just wonder how what the stories he'll be terrifying the populace with on 21/22nd June ? Dread to think at the rate he's going.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Something that is good and worth being a part of doesn't need to threaten or scare to keep you wanting in and staying in.

Equally, if something is that bad, and worth leaving, the people that want you to leave shouldn't need to make up scare stories to get you to do so.. Both sides are equally guilty of scare stories.

[Osem]

Yes they are and since all the argument is being dominated by the IN brigade and those on their side, they ought to be least in need of scaremongering. Maybe they don't have a very high opinion of us so they feel they need to predict doom in order that we don't give the wrong answer to the question...

Anyway, I may be wrong but I don't recall hearing anyone eminent on the OUT side of the equation indulging in this level of hyperbole.

[heero_yuy]

The iner's are scared witless. Dave only called the referendum because he thought it was going to be 2:1 to stay. Now there's a narrow margin for leave expect the hyperbole to move into overdrive.

"Britain Safer in Europe" What a great acronym: BSE

I just want this over and done with. I can't believe how quickly this thing has become boring and surprisingly hostile. It dominates politics and things are getting pushed back until after the referendum, it's not clear it will end either because a Remain vote will quickly be followed by calls for another referendum whilst a Leave vote will have at least two years of discussions/debate/deal-making not to mention the Tory party infighting over the leadership for the summer.

I hope we don't have a referendum on something for a good decade at least after this.

I'm sick of all the scaremongering and the actual lack of any real facts from BOTH sides.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Damien

I just want this over and done with. I can't believe how quickly this thing has become boring and surprisingly hostile. It dominates politics and things are getting pushed back until after the referendum, it's not clear it will end either because a Remain vote will quickly be followed by calls for another referendum whilst a Leave vote will have at least two years of discussions/debate/deal-making not to mention the Tory party infighting over the leadership for the summer.

I hope we don't have a referendum on something for a good decade at least after this.

Tell that to the SNP.

This has all taken up far less of our media time than the protracted US presidential election process to date so I'm not that unhappy about that.