26-01-2018, 14:25
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Buckley's narrative is a blatant manipulation of the news. Where are the facts to support this?
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26-01-2018, 15:08
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#1712
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Re: Brexit discussion
It seems that construction was the main sector affecting the slightly lower overall growth as it contracted slightly. Hardly a Brexit affected industry unless all the Polish brickies have gone home.
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26-01-2018, 15:40
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Re: Brexit discussion
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But we haven’t left yet..... That’s the line getting thrown out in 24 hours on here by your Remainer buddies.  |
They are correct and you are indeed wise to heed their words.  Worse is to come if we do leave the single market.
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26-01-2018, 15:54
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Re: Brexit discussion
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They are correct and you are indeed wise to heed their words. Worse is to come if we do leave the single market. |
We are leaving the single market and customs union, not doing so, is keeping a foot in the door to the EU which is what people who voted leave don't want.
Leave means leave, not half in half out.
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26-01-2018, 16:15
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by Mick
We are leaving the single market and customs union, not doing so, is keeping a foot in the door to the EU which is what people who voted leave don't want.
Leave means leave, not half in half out.
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You better tell that to those at war over it in the PM's cabinet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42823654
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26-01-2018, 17:31
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Re: Brexit discussion
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We are leaving the Customs Union. How else are we going to forge our own trade deals?
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26-01-2018, 18:16
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY
We are leaving the Customs Union. How else are we going to forge our own trade deals?
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I fear the fact-free Leaver media have misinformed you and many others about the Customs Union in order for you to vote Leave. Iceland is a member of the Customs Union but has negotiated a trade deal with China.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...ith-China.html
Anyway, we may not really leave as Sky News explains:
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Because, from within the Cabinet Brexit subcommittee, the idea of essentially remaining part of the same customs union is now seriously being pondered again.
Formally, this will be a separate and entirely new customs union between the UK and the EU27. Functionally, it means exactly what people meant a year ago when it was first suggested the UK would stay in such an arrangement.
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https://news.sky.com/story/long-read...union-11222746
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26-01-2018, 18:39
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Re: Brexit discussion
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You are the one who is misinformed. Iceland is not in the EU Customs Union, they are in a EEA, European Economic Area agreement. Thus, able to strike their own trade deals, they still have to abide by certain rules but I repeat, they are not in the EU Customs Union.
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26-01-2018, 18:42
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Re: Brexit discussion
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You are the one who is misinformed. Iceland is not in the EU Customs Union, they are in a EEA, European Economic Area agreement. Thus, able to strike their own trade deals, they still have to abide by certain rules but I repeat, they are not in the EU Customs Union.
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Correct. 
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26-01-2018, 18:44
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Yup - they are in the Single Market, not the EU CU.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36083664
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26-01-2018, 18:44
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Re: Brexit discussion
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They are correct and you are indeed wise to heed their words. Worse is to come if we do leave the single market. |
Not correct. 
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26-01-2018, 18:45
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Re: Brexit discussion
Are we getting any closer to a harmonious decision about whether Brexit is good or bad?
Let's take a look:
Facts for = 36
Facts against = 36
Tabloid manipulation for = 42
Tabloid manipulation against = 42
Non biased media for = 50%
Non biased media against = 50%
Lies & deceit for = 68.49%
Lies & deceit against = 68.49%
Results indicate an accurate scoring (to within + or - 73%) which reveals that, as yet, nobody has the faintest idea what's going on 
Forecast = carry on posting 
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26-01-2018, 20:31
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by Mick
You are the one who is misinformed. Iceland is not in the EU Customs Union, they are in a EEA, European Economic Area agreement. Thus, able to strike their own trade deals, they still have to abide by certain rules but I repeat, they are not in the EU Customs Union.
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My bad, well played, please accept my apologies.
But my main point remains - the EU Customs Union is not off the agenda. As the quote from Sky News showed, common sense may yet still prevail, "From within the Cabinet Brexit subcommittee, the idea of essentially remaining part of the same customs union is now seriously being pondered again."
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26-01-2018, 20:47
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Re: Brexit discussion
Don't pin your hopes on us staying in the customs union as it's highly unlikely it will be happening due to opposition from a number of EU member states and i really wouldn't put much faith in anything the media says in relation to brexit as all of them are too agenda ridden. Much like the EU referendum campaigns the average member of the public is struggling to get impartial and accurate information it's pretty depressing to be honest all we get is both sides throwing out rubbish that they think their supporters want to hear.
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26-01-2018, 20:54
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Re: Brexit discussion
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing
Don't pin your hopes on us staying in the customs union as it's highly unlikely it will be happening due to opposition from a number of EU member states and i really wouldn't put much faith in anything the media says in relation to brexit as all of them are too agenda ridden. Much like the EU referendum campaigns the average member of the public is struggling to get impartial and accurate information it's pretty depressing to be honest all we get is both sides throwing out rubbish that they think their supporters want to hear.
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I think it's pretty clear that the cabinet is divided on Brexit but I've seen no evidence that EU member states wouldn't want to have a customs union with us. Certainly, it's pretty obligatory if we are going to honour our promises to the island of Ireland.
And Sky News is a reliable and impartial source IMHO.
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