[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

Originally Posted by Chris

I believe the concern is around future moves towards compulsory private tendering of state-run services, as is currently happening, for example, with the State-owned Clyde and Hebridean ferry services operated Caledonian Macbrayne.

OK but is that mandated by the EU? Also successive Labour and Tory governments have been using private tendering of state-run services for ages. If anything we're more in favor of that arrangement than most of the EU. If the EU do such a thing it may well be of our own making.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Too late for the NHS; it's fate was sealed 12 months ago. It's got sweet nothing to do with the EU no matter how the campaigns desperately try to make links.

It's talk like that will lead to the demise of the NHS. It is NOT finished. The money we save from the EU will see to that.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

It's talk like that will lead to the demise of the NHS. It is NOT finished. The money we save from the EU will see to that.

Do you really think money "saved" from any EU exit would really go to front line services? Dream on ...

[Hom3r]

I'm annoyed there's no neutral party providing information, as currently were being given conflicting information.

[richard s]

Were we meant to be unified? One nation one state...

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I'm annoyed there's no neutral party providing information, as currently were being given conflicting information.

The various pros and cons are going to be different according to individual perspective, so on this one, your gut feeling is probably going to be as good as it gets.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I'm annoyed there's no neutral party providing information, as currently were being given conflicting information.

having scanned the papers this morning i can report there is no good reason to remain in the EU.

[progers]

Originally Posted by Hom3r

I'm annoyed there's no neutral party providing information, as currently were being given conflicting information.

Hom3r there is, have a look at https://fullfact.org

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

having scanned the papers this morning i can report there is no good reason to remain in the EU.

Simply put. A vote to remain in the EU is that you are happy with what they are doing and what their future plans are for the Union regardless of whether you believe it's better to remain or not.

Cameron bangs on about Britain being better off in a 'Reformed EU' and that is very possible. However, where are the reforms? What did he actually achieve? If the question being asked on June 23rd is this,

Should Britain remain a member of a Reformed EU?

Remain

Leave.

then the question is misleading as the EU is NOT reformed.

The Question should be simply this:

Should Britain remain a member of the EU?

Remain:

Leave:

I think voters going to the polls should read it as just that and not as a 'Reformed EU' because it isn't.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Do you really think money "saved" from any EU exit would really go to front line services? Dream on ...

The answer would depend on who is in Government.

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Originally Posted by richard s

Were we meant to be unified? One nation one state...

The whole planet is meant to be unified according to Christian or other Religious beliefs. The question then is this: Will we end up with a world Government.

First we have 4 Super States:

America.
Europe.
Asia.
Eastern Bloc..

What's next. The 4 heads then decide on one Government for the whole planet?

George Orwell would be proud to know his visions came true. They are already. The EU is Eurasia. The UK Airstrip One.

[heero_yuy]

From Gundam 00.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

From Gundam 00.

So let's get the hell out of Dodge! Vote Leave and avoid the pitfalls of the EU.

You've all lost the plot.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

You've all lost the plot.

Have you read Nineteen-Eighty-Four by George Orwell? If not I suggest you do. BIG BROTHER is Watching YOU!

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Have you read Nineteen-Eighty-Four by George Orwell? If not I suggest you do. BIG BROTHER is Watching YOU!

Yes, I've also read Animal Farm in case there is a pig or equality quote coming up.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Damien

Yes, I've also read Animal Farm in case there is a pig or equality quote coming up.

The only pig lives in Downing Street as far as I'm aware