Post-Brexit Thread

[Osem]

48% didn't vote for no change, they voted not to leave. Many Remainers accept the EU was/is in dire need of change, indeed one of their main arguments was that the UK should stay in the club in order to help direct that change...

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by ntluser

The worry for me is why the EU is so keen to get the UK to invoke Article 50.

I'm wondering if the recent referendum in Hungary knocking back quotas and the recent German elections showing gains by the anti-EU parties is causing concern in the EU ranks.

Is it a case of a desire for damage limitation or is the EU looking forward to pounding the UK so that it can proceed with those policies opposed by the UK?

I honestly think they just want us gone so that they can get on with business going forward. This is going to be using a whole bunch of time that could be better spent working on issues.

In other news the PM seems to have moderated her mind a little after her UKIP impersonation on Sunday. Wonder if the feedback, Sterling hitting a 35 year low amongst other things, gave her a moment of pause?

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-ma...slump-10605390

[Anypermitedroute]

Point corrected but sentiment remains, 52% does not represent a clear majority mandate to do what they like

This is too big an issue to get wrong

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Osem

48% didn't vote for no change, they voted not to leave. Many Remainers accept the EU was/is in dire need of change, indeed one of their main arguments was that the UK should stay in the club in order to help direct that change...

Yes, well, not our problem anymore. 52% didn't vote for leaving the EEA, pre-vote 2/3rds of the population said they would be okay with EFTA, but we are where we are.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

In other news the PM seems to have moderated her mind a little after her UKIP impersonation on Sunday. Wonder if the feedback, Sterling hitting a 35 year low amongst other things, gave her a moment of pause?

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-ma...slump-10605390

Why is she saying she wants UK firms to operate inside the single market after saying we're leaving the single market. The desired deal seems to change rather drastically...

[Anypermitedroute]

EU criminals facing deportation and UK ban for up to 10 years
http://news.sky.com/story/eu-crimina...years-10605190

You see this is the rub for me, it was portrayed you couldn't do anything regarding criminals whilst in the EU and now they suddenly announce that you can do things now, but obviously people will connect this to the vote

No point crying over spoilt milk but if the government acted on powers it already had e.g. half of net migration from non EU then I would have more sympathy to the rhectoric of taking back control

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

EU criminals facing deportation and UK ban for up to 10 years
http://news.sky.com/story/eu-crimina...years-10605190

You see this is the rub for me, it was portrayed you couldn't do anything regarding criminals whilst in the EU and now they suddenly announce that you can do things now, but obviously people will connect this to the vote

No point crying over spoilt milk but if the government acted on powers it already had e.g. half of net migration from non EU then I would have more sympathy to the rhectoric of taking back control

Totally agree with you - I too believed that such criminals still had the right to remain here and I agree that people will connect it to the referendum result and think we did it now because the EU can't do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Can't see that anywhere else in the media,especially the BBC where it is supposed to have been said.

It's here:

Huffington Post The prime minister appeared to suggest foreign-born doctors will not be welcome in the United Kingdom beyond 2025, while the health secretary announced plans to train up to 1,500 more doctors a year in a bid to make NHS England “self-sufficient” on UK doctors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b056365584ba42

Video here: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...ef=theresa-may

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

EU criminals facing deportation and UK ban for up to 10 years
http://news.sky.com/story/eu-crimina...years-10605190

it was portrayed you couldn't do anything regarding criminals whilst in the EU

We couldn't

and now they suddenly announce that you can do things now

because we voted to leave or have you missed the last 100 days .

There is no point in waiting for 2 years to start introducing changes we are leaving so start making changes ,it's simple

[Anypermitedroute]

We could and in the last 100 days we haven't left yet

In a speech that echoed Theresa May's commitment to tackling immigration, Ms Rudd said: "While we are still members of the EU, there are things we can get on with immediately.

"We are going to overhaul our legislation to toughen our approach to deporting EU criminals and those who abuse our laws.

"We will make clear what our courts must take into account when considering the deportation of EU criminals, aligning their fortunes more closely with those from outside the EU.

Originally Posted by Damien

Teresa May has said this:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/783195009550024704



What the hell is going on? Why shouldn't they be able to stay if they want? They're bloody Doctors. If they're already here legally are we revoking that? This has to be either a misquote or a badly worded sentence.

Jeremy Hunt said this

Jeremy Hunt is to pledge that the NHS in England will be “self sufficient” in doctors after Britain leaves the European Union as he sets out a package of measures aimed at reducing its reliance on foreign-trained medics.

The health secretary will use his speech to the Conservative party conference on Tuesday to promise that medical schools in the UK will be allowed to offer up to 1,500 extra training places a year, and released figures that said that one in four NHS doctors have been trained abroad.

Hunt will stress that foreign-trained doctors do a “fantastic job”, and say that “we want EU nationals who are already here to be able to stay post-Brexit” before adding: “Is it right to import doctors from poorer countries that need them while turning away bright home graduates desperate to study medicine?”

He wants NHS England to reach the target in 2025. “Of course it will take a number of years before those doctors qualify, but by the end of the next parliament we will make the NHS self-sufficient in doctors,” Hunt is expected to say.

Also doctors will have to work for the NHS for a minimum of 4 yrs as payback for the free training

I think we need more clarity on how we can kick people out before Brexit. Does she mean well legislate in preparation for Brexit, do we not care about consequences from the EU or was this always a possibility we simply didn't use until now.

Originally Posted by Anypermitedroute

We could and in the last 100 days we haven't left yet

In a speech that echoed Theresa May's commitment to tackling immigration, Ms Rudd said: "While we are still members of the EU, there are things we can get on with immediately.

"We are going to overhaul our legislation to toughen our approach to deporting EU criminals and those who abuse our laws.

"We will make clear what our courts must take into account when considering the deportation of EU criminals, aligning their fortunes more closely with those from outside the EU.

Basically what she is saying is that because we are leaving the EU we might as well get on and start changing things now .Pointless sticking rigidly to EU rules that are no longer applicable.You will find a lot of things that we couldn't do before we will be doing now

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by ntluser

The worry for me is why the EU is so keen to get the UK to invoke Article 50.

I'm wondering if the recent referendum in Hungary knocking back quotas and the recent German elections showing gains by the anti-EU parties is causing concern in the EU ranks.

Is it a case of a desire for damage limitation or is the EU looking forward to pounding the UK so that it can proceed with those policies opposed by the UK?

Must be confusing for the EU particularly as some UK MPs are wanting a quick Brexit and others not and some want a hard Brexit and others a softer version, plus the varying comments by Fox, Johnson and May. Are these designed to catch the EU off balance or are they a general indication of the government confusion over Brexit?

There's also the variations in British industries' requirements with some wanting the single market and others happy to work outside it.

It'll be interesting to hear what other news we hear in the run-up to Brexit because Theresa May strikes me as a careful planner, who, unlike Cameron, will definitely have a plan B and probably a plan C, plan D, plan E etc.

I think there's two reasons. Firstly, those countries want some certainty. Secondly, the sooner that Britain goes down the Brexit route, the more chance that future investment for Europe will be made on the Continent and not in Britain.

It will be darkly interesting to see where the next Nissan Qashqai is made. In its existing Sunderland plant, Nissan's Barcelona factory or in France by sister company Renault. This will set the tone for the success or failure of Brexit in many peoples' eyes in a way that weaker exchange rates and higher shop prices and utility bills will not.

[Anypermitedroute]

Originally Posted by martyh

Basically what she is saying is that because we are leaving the EU we might as well get on and start changing things now .Pointless sticking rigidly to EU rules that are no longer applicable.You will find a lot of things that we couldn't do before we will be doing now

You will also find we could have done alot of things already without leaving

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Chris

I've been making a mint out of additional guests from the US and Canada over the past couple of months. This is likely to be my best year in business so far.

It's likely that we'll all be a nation of hoteliers and other service industries post-Brexit, according to Brexit economist Patrick Minford. https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/po...and-even-brie/ But I've heard in Europe that the Cool Britania image was damaged by the increase in racist attacks post-Brexit and sales of British brands have suffered.