[Merged] Football talk - Page 113

sherer · 09-09-2004, 17:50

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Originally Posted by marcopolio

Bit of a sweeping statement

Lets get this straight - Defoe didnt play well (despite scoring one and having another good chance) because he did not play like Cruyff or Charlton!

And Hargreaves cannot play at this level but can play a pivotal role for a top CL side in Bayern Munich. Why was Hargreaves not good enough in the 2 minutes he played - what exactly are you basing that statement on?

the whole team played average it's just that Defoe happend to be the striker in the box that got on the end of a pass. That is his job. He didn't do anything outstanding and never bossed the game or did a Zidane like run. To hear Sven talk about him you would think he was the next Zidane, Cruyff etc. That was the point i was trying to make.

Yes we got a win but the performance wasn't there and the "manager" still didn't seem to do much IMO.

BBKing · 09-09-2004, 23:33

Um - Defoe is a pretty good striker who's started the season as the best English striker around - Eriksson has (finally) picked the man in form and it worked - next step pick the men in form in the midfield (clue - one D. Beckham isn't amongst them - Shaun Wright-Phillips is).

Owen should be rested until he settles in in Spain - Rooney/Defoe, despite being a godawful Man Utd/Spurs combo, are the best partnership around. Gerrard for captain, Lampard, SWP and Bridge for the rest of the midfield.

I'll take 2-1 away against the second best team in the group anytime, and I'm not even a great fan of Sven - too timid and in awe of the big names, but he tried being brave and it worked - here's to a continuation of it.

nffc · 09-09-2004, 23:48

Talking of strikers- if we get John we will have John, David Johnson, Marlon King and Gareth Taylor- all capable of 20 goals a season in the Championship. And we're linked with Sam Parkin from Swindon according to Swindon local rag...

Shame our midfield is garbage isn't it.

sherer · 10-09-2004, 10:30

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Originally Posted by BBKing

Um - Defoe is a pretty good striker who's started the season as the best English striker around - Eriksson has (finally) picked the man in form and it worked - next step pick the men in form in the midfield (clue - one D. Beckham isn't amongst them - Shaun Wright-Phillips is).

agree about beckham his last good game for England was when we beat Greece to qualify for the WC.

Eriksson isn't strong enough to drop Beckham.. he should at least take the armband off him until he performs better.. was surprised when he dropped James

Atomic22 · 14-09-2004, 18:27

beckham never plays badly for england and is a good captain......
defoe is a decent striker but he aint no roon.....
i just wonder what will happen to campbell when rio is back and playing alongside king and forming a formidable defensive double act......maybe people will realise what a liability campbell is

BBKing · 14-09-2004, 22:39

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beckham never plays badly for england and is a good captain......

Ahem cough, welcome to Planet Earth - he's been rubbish for the last few games, no goals, no leadership, crap penalties. Pretty much since he's been at Madrid. He's undroppable though, sadly. Gerrard would make an excellent captain on current form, he's used to holding a team of underperforming individuals together.

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i just wonder what will happen to campbell when rio is back and playing alongside king and forming a formidable defensive double act......maybe people will realise what a liability campbell is

That's liability pronounced 'defensive kingpin of the best side in the country whom Ferguson would give his right arm for', just to clear it up. King can go back to Spurs and we'll have the top two centre halves in Britain, Terry and big Sol.

Arsenal 1-0 PSV
PSG 0 - Chelsea 3

Arsenal scrape a 1-0, just like the old days. Two years ago it would have been a 1-1 or 1-2. Chelsea look good though, even though PSG are nothing much. Drogba is a goal machine in Europe.

Russ · 14-09-2004, 22:41

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Originally Posted by BBKing

That's liability pronounced 'defensive kingpin of the best side in the country whom Ferguson would give his right arm for', just to clear it up. King can go back to Spurs and we'll have the top two centre halves in Britain, Terry and big Sol.

If anything, you've got to applaud his enthusiasm

Steve H · 14-09-2004, 23:09

The Premiership better beware

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.. After an impressive 3-2 victory against Ipswich

nffc · 14-09-2004, 23:11

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Originally Posted by Steve H

The Premiership better beware

.. After an impressive 3-2 victory against Ipswich

I'm not looking forward to saturday.

Commons will be ****ting it, and looks like you guys will avenge the 6-0 we gave you 2 seasons back.

Is de Goey injured (like our team really), i noticed he came off today?

Steve H · 14-09-2004, 23:26

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Originally Posted by nffc

I'm not looking forward to saturday.

Commons will be ****ting it, and looks like you guys will avenge the 6-0 we gave you 2 seasons back.

Is de Goey injured (like our team really), i noticed he came off today?

Unsure m8, couldn't make the game today.

He's always got something wrong anyway, hopefully he'l be fine for saturday.. AND You just had to bring that 6-0 up didn't you! Your so right about us avenging it though

nffc · 14-09-2004, 23:43

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Originally Posted by Steve H

Unsure m8, couldn't make the game today.

He's always got something wrong anyway, hopefully he'l be fine for saturday.. AND You just had to bring that 6-0 up didn't you! Your so right about us avenging it though

We're carp.

Gerrard is a good keeper, probably one of the best in the division.

Our defence- Louis-Jean is out, Robertson who played today is utter carp as is Rogers, Dawson is out for 2-3 weeks more, Thompson's out for longer, Morgan's OK, Hjelde went off early today with what looked like a hamstring, Impey least said soonest mended, Doig's dodgy, Perch is 18- who have I missed?

Midfield- Evans is a little terrier and excellent, Reidy's good but a mardy git, Commons will be pooping it, James is injured, Jess is cack, rest is just raw kids

Strikers- well Taylor's back and he's good, Jonno's been a bit unlucky, King's utter carp and that's all we have.

Third from bottom, no wins in 8 now, three defeats including an utter urine extraction tonight (2-0 down after 11, they just jossed for the 79). Our defence can't keep them out, our attack isn't scoring and our midfield is neither tackling nor creating. We have a good keeper and that's about all the positives. You're going to muller us.

Atomic22 · 15-09-2004, 18:16

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Originally Posted by BBKing

that's liability pronounced 'defensive kingpin of the best side in the country whom Ferguson would give his right arm for', just to clear it up. King can go back to Spurs and we'll have the top two centre halves in Britain, Terry and big Sol.

terry is a decent half back...but centre half? no way
every england game campbell plays in he either gives away a free kick that leads to a goal, gets caught out too easily and that leads to a goal or comes up for every corner and wastes a header wide of goal that any one of the other strikers would score with there eyes shut.
ooooohhh aint it great footy season is upon us again so we can get some decent banter going

BBKing · 15-09-2004, 19:30

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every england game campbell plays in he either gives away a free kick that leads to a goal, gets caught out too easily and that leads to a goal or comes up for every corner and wastes a header wide of goal that any one of the other strikers would score with there eyes shut.

So he's sometimes a liability because he doesn't score goals? 'Other strikers'? He's a centre-back. Centre. Back. He plays at the back. In the centre. His job isn't scoring goals. Mind you, he's scored one goal that was allowed and two that were disallowed, not through his fault. Gary Neville has scored 0 goals in more appearances, but you wouldn't say he was a liability (I would though). He committed ONE foul at Euro 2004 in four games. The goals England let in were given away by people like Heskey and Gerrard in the first match, Beckham/Cole in the third...

He was in FIFA's team of World Cup 2002. He's played in five consecutive international tournaments. He was in the All-Stars team of Euro 2004, where he was one of the four England players who were actually any good (the others being Lampard, Rooney and Cole).

Arsenal's form is notably worse without him and Vieira in the team (well, not this season). It's something ridiculous like two years since we lost a league game with both of them playing.

Terry is a decent football player as well as a good defender, notably scoring more goals than most centre backs and getting a good few assists (e.g. Beckham's goal v. Ukraine and Lampard v. Portugal).

gazzae · 17-09-2004, 15:59

Rio's ban ends soon, and I was checking the news sites today and found this..

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NAC Breda won't appeal a ban on Hungarian midfielder Tamas Peto by the Dutch Soccer Association as punishment for alleged doping, the team said Wednesday.

Peto tested positive for the steroid norandrosterone after a league match between Breda and PSV Eindhoven on Feb. 4. The ban began Wednesday.

Now Rio got 8 months for failing to take a drugs test, this guy actually failed his test, so you'd assume he'd get a similar ban? No? He got a 10 match ban!!!!!!!

nffc · 17-09-2004, 16:11

IIRC, one of the Forest chairman's business interests actually owns Rio Ferdinand and leases him to ManYoo so there