Football : Season 2009/2010

[TheDaddy]

What a great idea

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8516372.stm

[Niles Crane]

Arsenal's 2010/11 kit leaked?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

What a great idea

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8516372.stm

I think it's an awful idea. It seems bizarre that a team which, over the course of 38 games, were the better team could be knocked out of their Champions League place by a team who finished 3/4 places below them on the back of one game. Last year the difference in points between Arsenal in 4th and Fulham in 7th was 19 points. Yet under this system one game could mean that Fulham, not Arsenal, go into Europe's best competition. That may please people sick of the 'top 4' but Arsenal earned that spot last year and to take it away from them one the back of one or two games renders a large part of the season pointless. If your not in the league title contention then why bother trying to finish are higher than 7th? Might as well rest players for the play-offs and other matches.

More than likely is it will become pointless as the quality of England's 4th entry into the league will drop further and UEFA will just yank the spot.

It also overestimates the money from the Champions League, Arsenal make 13% of their revenue from Europe. Most of their money comes from the Premier League and matchday gates.

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Originally Posted by Niles Crane

Arsenal's 2010/11 kit leaked?

Nope:

Anyway they have to wait until the current TV deal expires and if the Premier League insists on this plan I suggest the top teams break away from negotiating the TV deal as a whole league and do their own deals. Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and City can make deals with Sky themselves. Maybe do live streaming of all their games live, I'd pay a subscription to Arsenal to watch every game (or every home game depending on rights) streamed over the internet.

[sherer]

Originally Posted by Damien

Anyway they have to wait until the current TV deal expires and if the Premier League insists on this plan I suggest the top teams break away from negotiating the TV deal as a whole league and do their own deals. Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Liverpool and City can make deals with Sky themselves. Maybe do live streaming of all their games live, I'd pay a subscription to Arsenal to watch every game (or every home game depending on rights) streamed over the internet.

the top teams doing their own deals would destroy the league. Non of the other clubs would get any air time and be able to make any money they would all go out of business. Even as a fan of a top four club I can see that the TV time needs to be shared around and other clusb have a right for their matches to be shown.

Originally Posted by sherer

the top teams doing their own deals would destroy the league. Non of the other clubs would get any air time and be able to make any money they would all go out of business. Even as a fan of a top four club I can see that the TV time needs to be shared around and other clusb have a right for their matches to be shown.

I can see that too and I would agree. The thing is if the other 16 clubs in the league decide to out-vote the top 4 and decide that one of those top 4 places should lose their Champions League spot just cos a team that finishes between 5 and 7 can get it then they have the ability to hit back.

At the moment I see at most Arsenal, United, Liverpool, City, and Spurs voting against the top 4 system since they all have a chance of finishing up there. That still leaves the 14 votes needed. All of which will vote for it because they don't have the ability to realistically hit the top 4 so would welcome this play-off system. They are much more likely to get that Champions League spot though a couple of games than a whole season.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

It seems bizarre that a team which, over the course of 38 games, were the better team could be knocked out of their Champions League place by a team who finished 3/4 places below them on the back of one game. Last year the difference in points between Arsenal in 4th and Fulham in 7th was 19 points. Yet under this system one game could mean that Fulham, not Arsenal, go into Europe's best competition. That may please people sick of the 'top 4' but Arsenal earned that spot last year and to take it away from them one the back of one or two games renders a large part of the season pointless. If your not in the league title contention then why bother trying to finish are higher than 7th? Might as well rest players for the play-offs and other matches.

Funny people don't say the Championship is devalued/ pointless by a play off system and there is a lot more at stake there than just 13% of income. Lets not get to carried ayway either we are talking about the team that finished in 4th place not the Champions or even the runners up but the team that finished waaaayyyy behind you talk about the gap between Fulham and Arsenal but the gap between Arsenal and Man U was pretty similar and as for resting players what do you think happens now, those dull April games that are meaningless with players going through the motions would be a thing of the past. This season has been the exception rather than the rule and the PL want to give a chance for this trend to continue.

More than likely is it will become pointless as the quality of England's 4th entry into the league will drop further and UEFA will just yank the spot.

I don't think it more likely at all, Man City, Villa, Everton and dare I say it Spuds are more than capable of competing and getting to the knock out stage and preserving the 4th entry.

It also overestimates the money from the Champions League, Arsenal make 13% of their revenue from Europe. Most of their money comes from the Premier League and matchday gates.

13% is a massive advantage over the other clubs and not an earned one imo from finishing 4th

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Lets not get to carried ayway either we are talking about the team that finished in 4th place not the Champions or even the runners up but the team that finished waaaayyyy behind you talk about the gap between Fulham and Arsenal but the gap between Arsenal and Man U was pretty similar

Yup. That's why United won the league and Arsenal didn't. We're not talking about implementing a play-off so that the Premiership title goes to a play-off.

As for resting players what do you think happens now, those dull April games that are meaningless with players going through the motions would be a thing of the past. This season has been the exception rather than the rule and the PL want to give a chance for this trend to continue.

That's what a league is! Everyone plays each other twice and sees where they end up. It's not about a few games but all of them. So towards the end of the season, when most points are allocated, it can get boring for the squads not in contention but there we go. The solution is not to say "well, you've finished 4th over 38 games but now for 2 games which could dump you out of the position you ave merited over the course of the last 7 or so months.". Besides it would still make meaningless games because as soon as a team knows they are in the top 7 then why bother?

I don't think it more likely at all, Man City, Villa, Everton and dare I say it Spuds are more than capable of competing and getting to the knock out stage and preserving the 4th entry.

They are also capable of breaking into 4th then and earning the place. Not trying to stay in the top 7 to try and get the play-off spot. The money argument is rubbish because Spurs and I think Villa have spent more than Arsenal and Liverpool but fail to break though.

13% is a massive advantage over the other clubs and not an earned one imo from finishing 4th

Well it's more earned from a league system, where they have played to a standard all season, than a playoff.

[Derek]

Arf!

Aberdeen 0-1 Raith - FT

Might be enough to even raise a smile on Gordon Brown.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

That's what a league is! Everyone plays each other twice and sees where they end up. It's not about a few games but all of them. So towards the end of the season, when most points are allocated, it can get boring for the squads not in contention but there we go. The solution is not to say "well, you've finished 4th over 38 games but now for 2 games which could dump you out of the position you ave merited over the course of the last 7 or so months.". Besides it would still make meaningless games because as soon as a team knows they are in the top 7 then why bother?

Staying in the top 7 will be harder and give extra incentive to all the middle table clubs, don't see any problems with it, the team that finishes runner up to the medal places isn't automatically guaranteed a place at the top table anymore, big deal.

They are also capable of breaking into 4th then and earning the place. Not trying to stay in the top 7 to try and get the play-off spot. The money argument is rubbish because Spurs and I think Villa have spent more than Arsenal and Liverpool but fail to break though.

Neither have spent more than Liverpool, Rafa has wasted hundreds of millions.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle6888955.ece

Staying in the top 7 will be harder and give extra incentive to all the middle table clubs, don't see any problems with it, the team that finishes runner up to the medal places isn't automatically guaranteed a place at the top table anymore, big deal.

There is a forth place though and shouldn't the 4th best team in England be awarded with it? It seems to be a attempt to get one over on the top .

[LondonRoad]

Originally Posted by Derek S

Arf!



Might be enough to even raise a smile on Gordon Brown.

Do you reckon he was dancing in the streets of Raith last night?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

There is a forth place though and shouldn't the 4th best team in England be awarded with it? It seems to be a attempt to get one over on the top .

No reason why they should be awarded it, it's 4th best after all and it seems to me like an idea to make the league more interesting and competetive than an attempt to get one over anyone, after all if it were to happen this season there's a very good chance Liverpool would be in position 5,6 or 7. The league has to come up with inovative new ideas, some work like this one (imo), some don't like the 39th game.

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Could this be a way that the PL could make the spots more exciting, especially if there are say four clubs going for it.

But, the way Spurs have been playing this season, l'd be happy if they settled for EUFA, or whatever they call it now, l CANNOT see them getting a CL spot.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

No reason why they should be awarded it, it's 4th best after all and it seems to me like an idea to make the league more interesting and competetive than an attempt to get one over anyone, after all if it were to happen this season there's a very good chance Liverpool would be in position 5,6 or 7. The league has to come up with inovative new ideas, some work like this one (imo), some don't like the 39th game.

Well if we send the 4 best teams in England to the Champions League it makes sense to send the top 4. They are the best. Otherwise it may be the 4th best team in England or it may be the 7th best team who won a play off.

You say Liverpool might finish out of the top 4 and if that happens the team that takes their place deserves the Champions League spot because they were the better team that season.

My main problem is it partly ignores the form and results of the teams during the season to focus on a couple of games. So a team can finish 10/20 points behind but be sent to the Champions League. It may make it more exciting but it defeats the purpose of a league in a sense.