Merged: London Broadband.

Originally posted by binary
I agree completely. It'd just be good to know where the good bits (which are more lilely to have broadband soon) and where the bad bits of the network actually are...
...What I would like is an unofficial reply from an NTL insider about the state of the London network. Such information will be far more valuable & informative than any official response. Ideally I'd like to be able to PM my postcode to someone in NTL so they can tell me about what the network is like in my neighbourhood...
...The reason I'm participating in this thread is in the hope that an NTL insider might be pursuaded to do just that...

...As I've said before of course there's no conspiracy to deny London broadband...

Agreed binary, all that is required is for some ntl big wig to actually once and for all give a comprehensive reply to all the questions posed, simple really we are not asking for much just simple informed answers to simple questions.

[bigitup_j]

i would rekon, that ntl have a plan for broadband this year in london. but they are not telling customers about it because it could go horribly wrong, plus it is being done bit by bit and no dates or advanced notices about the release of bb in selected (now enabled) areas have been give.
so ntl have no idea of when it will be complete, but the target is this year. we simply don't know as ntl aren't telling us anything which is very annoying.

ntl NEED to communicate.

[Undisputedtruth]

There could be a possibility NTL may have a business plan to rollout broadband by a certain dates/years. Someone without any common sense decided to upgrade the northern areas first in order to generate cash. This business plan may have backfired. NTL have lost thousands of customers. They are not generating enough cash as hoped to invest in one of country's key market.

[BubbleGum]

Originally posted by Undisputedtruth
I've an order placed with a adsl provider

Is that a real or imaginary ADSL provider because you've had ADSL coming for a long time - yes, I do read the other site, and I've seen you make a fool of yourself there.

I must admit I'm not professional in my own behaviour in handling the London broadband issue.

I know you're not and others can see it too. If you were instead of going round in circles and promoting yourself with that silly title, you'd do something to try and get answers out of ntl.

Am I oblige to be professional?

No but the question could also be are you obliged to be a pain in the arse.

I've always been reasonable. Unfortunately, I have nothing but contempt for NTL which has showed in my postings. Please don't confuse contempt with reasonable behaviour.

You're bitter, very bitter and for no genuine reason other than you want a product from a company you openly admit to hating and can't get it.

I think I achieve alot by asking loads of awkward questions, highlighting contradictory information and raise the profile of broadband in London.

All you achieve is to get peoples backs up and as far as contradictory information, you post a lot of it yourself - I've seen you vanish from threads at .com when someone trips you up, and then come back when the thread has moved on.

People like Hawkmoon, Rippedoff, and others have made immense contributions. I have not seen any useful contributions from Bluetack, perhaps he could be kind enough to tell us his contribution.

I have no interest in ntl broadband within London but I've suggested that you work with the mods of this site to try and force an answer out of ntl. If that idea is over your head then just say so Mr I'm going to adsl.

Leave ntl and stop whinging or stay and start fighting (with others to support you) - but don't keep playing the same record.

Exactly, Bluetack, you hit the nail on the head there!

[hawkmoon]

Originally posted by Bluetack

I have no interest in ntl broadband within London but I've suggested that you work with the mods of this site to try and force an answer out of ntl. If that idea is over your head then just say so Mr I'm going to adsl.

People have tried to force an answer out of NTL.

People have tried contact Mr Hussain, Mr Slattery, Mr Collinson, etc with the only reply being that "NTL are commited to improving the service....blah, blah, blah"

It has taken almost 2 years for NTL to admit there is a serious problem and hopefully to have stopped promising something they can't supply.

There were plenty of NTL employees on the other site, some from the customer liasion team, some from the london management team and not one of those who even bothered to take part in the threads made any useful contribution apart from pretty much ****ging off those who aren't happy with the situation.

To this day NTL still haven't really publically appologized for the cock up over the CR3 issue, apart from a letter posted by one of the mods to NTHW to what is really a minority of the customers affected. The reasoning was that those who were affected would be easily confused if they told them a mistake was made and that was straight from the mouth of NTL:Home London MD.

This is the sort of company that NTL are - they refuse to talk to their customers.

[Undisputedtruth]

Originally posted by Bluetack
Is that a real or imaginary ADSL provider because you've had ADSL coming for a long time - yes, I do read the other site, and I've seen you make a fool of yourself there.

It is true I have taken a long time in this matter and so what. I very much doubt I made a fool of myself. Perhaps itââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s a figment of your imagination. Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢m not here to make friends or proof myself to anyone. Go on throw some more insults at me. I simply donââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t care, in fact I see it as a compliment. Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢ve taken a lot of nonsense from the likes of fedupwithntl, themole, orangebird, Tristan, Grum666, Mark, BBKing and others, but I do feel stronger for it. Thanks Guys!

I know you're not and others can see it too. If you were instead of going round in circles and promoting yourself with that silly title, you'd do something to try and get answers out of ntl.

?????????

No but the question could also be are you obliged to be a pain in the arse.

Only to the proNTL mob.

You're bitter, very bitter and for no genuine reason other than you want a product from a company you openly admit to hating and can't get it.

I hate being lied to, just like anyone else. Are you really that dim to understand this? It is not such much wanting the product it is the messing about from NTL which I have a problem with. That bitterness will always be there even if NTL do offer me the required product. I really don't think you can truly understand the situation. I'll suggest you should discuss with Rippedoff and Hawkmoon

All you achieve is to get peoples backs up and as far as contradictory information, you post a lot of it yourself - I've seen you vanish from threads at .com when someone trips you up, and then come back when the thread has moved on.

Show me examples. Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢ll be happy to answer. Don't forget I do have other interest and there have been times that I just can't be bothered to answer a post to where I given an answer or reason before. I deliberately done that to fedupwithntl. Gosh that man was stupid!

I have no interest in ntl broadband within London but I've suggested that you work with the mods of this site to try and force an answer out of ntl. If that idea is over your head then just say so Mr I'm going to adsl.

Perhaps it is time for you to come clean and state your relationship with the mods. For someone who has recently started posting on this site and as so far made only one post on another site. Very suspicious. I seen your previous posts and it seems you like to attack fellow members. Is it because youââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢re not original enough to come with your own comments.? The fact you have attacked me is another way of complimenting me. Am I really that important? I hope not. And even if it was true - so what?

Leave ntl and stop whinging or stay and start fighting (with others to support you) - but don't keep playing the same record.

The record will continue to twirl until Iâ₠¬ÃƒÆ’¢â€žÂ¢ll get some answers. Anyway, I do enjoys this debate on broadband in London. It is comments like yours that spur me on. I'll see it as a pathetic attempt to silence me.

Remember, I'm not here for self promotion. I have no need to proof myself to anyone. I'm here simply to state my views. I simply don't give a f**k what other people think about me!

[rippedoff]

quote:
Originally posted by Bluetack

I have no interest in ntl broadband within London but I've suggested that you work with the mods of this site to try and force an answer out of ntl. If that idea is over your head then just say so Mr I'm going to adsl.

I agree with Hawkmoon & UDT's postings above.
Bluetack - you say that you have no interest in ntl braodband in Londn - if that is the case, don't bother reading this thread or making stupid comments about those of us who ARE interested in London BB. Haven't you noticed the title of this thread? Even to someone of limited capabilties, it is quite clear that this thread is about London Broadband - something you claim to have no interest in - so why do you bother posting your verbal diarrhoea on this thread.
Oh... and gogogo...why don't you get a life too, and leave this thread alone?

[Mark W]

Originally posted by Undisputedtruth
I deliberately done that to fedupwithntl. Gosh that man was stupid!

please do something different and stop insulting other members

[Russ]

OK people, this post has just been reported to the Phoenix team for all the insults flying about and I'm inclined to agree.

I'm going to be watching this thread now and the next time I see any insult (irregardless of who started it) this thread will be temporarily closed, any further insults and it'll be closed permanently.

[Undisputedtruth]

Originally posted by Mark W


please do something different and stop insulting other members

fedupwithntl is not a member on nthellworld.co.uk! So how can you insult someone who is not a member of this forum?

Mods beware of the proNTL mob they are willing to say anything to justify their unjustifiable case.

I think the better idea would be to stop people like Bluetack who have no interest in London whatsover. He has tried to upset me and Rippedoff. You would have to question his motives on this thread. His post is a direct attack on me. Mark has not posted any reasonably new information. There was that time when he threatened not to post anything on this thread. He is still actively posting. All "Drama Queen" stuff me think. We already knew since last year there were going to be trials in that area. What we need is proper information. I'm sure the people who have genuine interest would agree!

[Stuart]

Originally posted by Undisputedtruth
fedupwithntl is not a member on nthellworld.co.uk! So how can you insult someone who is not a member of this forum?

He is a member on the other forum & quite possibly lurks here. No need to insult him whether you agree with him or not.

Mods beware of the proNTL mob they are willing to say anything to justify their unjustifiable case.

And you don't?

I think the better idea would be to stop people like Bluetack who have no interest in London whatsover. He has tried to upset me and Rippedoff. You would have to question his motives on this thread. His post is a direct attack on me. Mark has not posted any reasonably new information. There was that time when he threatened not to post anything on this thread. He is still actively posting. All "Drama Queen" stuff me think. We already knew since last year there were going to be trials in that area. What we need is proper information. I'm sure the people who have genuine interest would agree!

True, Bluetack doesn't have a real interest in Broadband in London (He has admitted so himself) and he has been a bit abusive in the way he has communicated with certain people. So have you.

He has raised one good point though. The one about us appointing a representative to approach the mods, who can then approach NTL. He said:

Originally posted by Bluetack

All I'm saying is you can discuss this subject to death but it would be far more constructive to do something, than just sit around like a bunch of old whingers. Nominate someone to contact the mods and let them try and get an official response on behalf of this site and the members interested in London broadband

And insulting NTL staff who post on here is not a good idea. Even if they can't help you, they may be in a position to help someone. If they keep getting insulted, they will not come here and post.

Edit: Bluetack, the paragraph above was aimed at UDT, not you.

It would be nice to hear from NTL how the various London trials are progressing..

[rippedoff]

[i]I think the better idea would be to stop people like Bluetack who have no interest in London whatsover. He has tried to upset me and Rippedoff. You would have to question his motives on this thread. [/B]

I agree with that point! If you look at Bt postings HERE you will soon see what kind of person Bluetack is.

And scastle has said:

He has raised one good point though. The one about us appointing a representative to approach the mods, who can then approach NTL. He said:
quote:
Originally posted by Bluetack
All I'm saying is you can discuss this subject to death but it would be far more constructive to do something, than just sit around like a bunch of old whingers. Nominate someone to contact the mods and let them try and get an official response on behalf of this site and the members interested in London broadband

Why do we need to "appoint a representative to approach the mods, who can then approach ntl" ?

I assume that the mods can read. I would hope that the mods would raise anything they thought was a 'hot' topic on behalf of the forum members, but just in case they won't, I will officially, on this thread, on this site, on this post, ask the mods to take up the issue on the behalf of the London ntl: customers who are deprived of BB and Interactive TV services (not just those who are members of this forum). So, here we go....

Dear moderators of nthellworld.co.uk,
On behalf of those ntl: London customers who do not yet have Interactive TV or BroadBand services available to them, could you please ask ntl: London Mangement for an official answer to the question: " What is the current situation with the introduction of BB and Interactive TV services to the franchises in London, mainly ex-CWC and Videotron, and can you give these customers an indication as to when, if ever, they are likely to receive these services. "
Thank you,
Rippedoff

OK?

[rippedoff]

Originally posted by Andre
Either those affected aren't really that bothered, or people aren't reading the thread properly.

Either way, the offer was made already.

Sorry? What is this answer saying? Is it saying the offer was made before but nobody responded, so it's too late now?

or

We are incapable of reading the thread properly, so tough luck?

Either way, (to steal your phrase) what you don't say is:
" Certainly, we would be more than happy to do that on your behalf"

Originally posted by rippedoff
quote:
Oh... and gogogo...why don't you get a life too, and leave this thread alone?

Offensive comments removed.

This thread will now closed temporarily to allow people to cool down, thanks Andre.