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Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 21:01

As luck would have it my last patient tonight was a policeman who works in Kennington. I asked him if any ethnic group was more likely to be found commiting fraud here and he instantly replied: "Oh god yes! Nigerians, they're notorious for fraud Just ask any dss fraud investigator!"

Niles Crane · 20-10-2003, 21:13

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

As luck would have it my last patient tonight was a policeman who works in Kennington. I asked him if any ethnic group was more likely to be found commiting fraud here and he instantly replied: "Oh god yes! Nigerians, they're notorious for fraud Just ask any dss fraud investigator!"

You should have asked him which profession was most likely to eat donuts or take bribes. What would his answer have been then?

And by the way, your comments are interesting (or rather, the way you worded them in order to propogate your opinion). Why would he say "Oh God yes!" unless you'd already suggested Nigerians? Secondly, you ought to spell God with a capital G. Thirdly, there is no such thing as a Nigerian ethnic group. Fourthly, "just ask any dss fraud investigator!" - yeah, because they just happen to be around reguarly. Either the cop is a stereotypical moron, you're exaggerating and/or bull****ing totally or pigs have begun to fly (pardon the pun)......

aliferste · 20-10-2003, 21:22

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Originally Posted by Ramrod

As luck would have it my last patient tonight was a policeman who works in Kennington. I asked him if any ethnic group was more likely to be found commiting fraud here and he instantly replied: "Oh god yes! Nigerians, they're notorious for fraud Just ask any dss fraud investigator!"

Yea well...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lawrence/S...941167,00.html

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/

there aint no Nigerian there

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 21:24

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You should have asked him which profession was most likely to eat donuts or take bribes. What would his answer of been then?

What's that got to do with this discussion?

But if you want to ask I would have to guess that Americans eat the most donuts (per capita) and the inhabitants of one of either an African/Indian or former Soviet country take the most bribes. I did used to know what the most corrupt country on earth was but I've forgotten, sorry.

Why is it ok to say something like 'Germans, per capita, drink the most beer in the world' but you take offence if people say that Nigerians seem to commit a lot of fraud?

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 21:30

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Yea well...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lawrence/S...941167,00.html

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/

there aint no Nigerian there

erm...the first is about the Steven Lawrence affair and police racism and the second is a form to use to report a benefit cheat. Are you sure you got the correct links

Niles Crane · 20-10-2003, 21:32

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What's that got to do with this discussion?
But if you want to ask I would have to guess that Americans eat the most donuts (per capita) and the inhabitants of one of either an African/Indian or former Soviet country take the most bribes. I did used to know what the most corrupt country on earth was but I've forgotten, sorry.

1. I said profession, not country, not continent, i said profession.
2. India is a country, not a continent.
3. Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth.

My question has everything to do with the discussion. My point being, would the policeman be so quick to make such abrupt comments if it affected him?
You're a white, male and hetrosexual right? So i'll ask you this question in the same vain as the one on fraud which you asked to the policeman:

In the UK, is there any group found to be more likely to commit acts of peadophillia?

As for the German thing..........find me evidence of where i've condoned anything like that and i'll answer.

aliferste · 20-10-2003, 21:46

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erm...the first is about the Steven Lawrence affair and police racism and the second is a form to use to report a benefit cheat. Are you sure you got the correct links

Well yea.....i didnt realise i had to spell it out

You see, what i was insinuating was that the police are institutionally racist anyway, therefore no wonder a policeman would come out with a statement like that.....you see now??

The other link was about the fact that if there was so many Nigerians defrauding the DSS the surely they would have alittle box saying "Nigerian" It would save time

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 21:53

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1. I said profession, not country, not continent, i said profession.

Sorry, quite right. Why did you say profession?

We are talking about ethnic groups...

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2. India is a country, not a continent.

I meant the Indian sub-continent (that is rather nit-picky)

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3. Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth.

So you are saying that Pakistanis are the most corrupt people on earth?

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My question has everything to do with the discussion. My point being, would the policeman be so quick to make such abrupt comments if it affected him?

Huh? Whats that got to do with anything? I am sure that a Nigerian would lament the sorry state of the morals prevalent amongst his fellow Nigerians.

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You're a white, male and hetrosexual right? So i'll ask you this question in the same vain as the one on fraud which you asked to the policeman:

In the UK, is there any group found to be more likely to commit acts of peadophillia?

Absolutely, white males. Whats your point?

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As for the German thing..........find me evidence of where i've condoned anything like that and i'll answer.

erm....what?

aliferste · 20-10-2003, 21:53

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You're a white, male and hetrosexual right? .

You know thats a funny question.
In all the anti racist, anti sexism and anti just about every form of oppression training i have done......and believe you me.....in the last 15 years I have done absolutely sht loads....that is one question that always comes up.

A white male does not think about what it is like to be a white male in this society. In other words they do not think about the extra life chances that they get.....because they are not black or female. Because black and female people are so oppressed BY white males they fight all the harder ......um does that make sense? Its a tricky concept to grasp!

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 22:00

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Originally Posted by aliferste

Well yea.....i didnt realise i had to spell it out

You see, what i was insinuating was that the police are institutionally racist anyway, therefore no wonder a policeman would come out with a statement like that.....you see now??

So you are assuming that the policeman that I spoke to is a racist? Just because he is a policeman. You are apparently assuming that all policemen are racists. That is one hell of an assumption. In comparison my assertion that certain groups are more likely to commit certain crimes seems quite tame.

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The other link was about the fact that if there was so many Nigerians defrauding the DSS the surely they would have alittle box saying "Nigerian" It would save time

Come off it.

aliferste · 20-10-2003, 22:02

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So you are assuming that the policeman that I spoke to is a racist? Just because he is a policeman. You are apparently assuming that all policemen are racists. That is one hell of an assumption. In comparison my assertion that certain groups are more likely to commit certain crimes seems quite tame.
Come off it.

I dont need to assume anything..........the Macpherson report backs me up

Dont think anything had really moved forward since then !

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 22:04

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Originally Posted by aliferste

A white male does not think about what it is like to be a white male in this society. In other words they do not think about the extra life chances that they get.....because they are not black or female. Because black and female people are so oppressed BY white males they fight all the harder ......um does that make sense? Its a tricky concept to grasp!

That's not a tricky concept, it's a bitch, it's not right, it needs changing.

Niles Crane · 20-10-2003, 22:04

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Sorry, quite right. Why did you say profession?

I've already told you.

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So you are saying that Pakistanis are the most corrupt people on earth?

No, i'm saying that according to the statistics you were talking about (which were released last year), Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth.

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Huh? Whats that got to do with anything? I am sure that a Nigerian would lament the sorry state of the morals prevalent amongst his fellow Nigerians.

Why do you keep asking "what?" when the answer is right infront of you?
Indeed they would, but thats not what i said or implied. Not all Nigerians are men by the way.

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Absolutely, white males. Whats your point?

I've already told you it. But i'll elaborate; for many, stereotyping, profiling and the like is alot easier to others, and much harder to swallow when its closer to home.

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erm....what?

Find me evidence of the hypocrisy you claim i have.

Ramrod · 20-10-2003, 22:05

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I dont need to assume anything..........the Macpherson report backs me up

Dont think anything had really moved forward since then !

So, on the basis of that report, do you assert that all policemen are racist?

Niles Crane · 20-10-2003, 22:10

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Originally Posted by aliferste

Well yea.....i didnt realise i had to spell it out

You see, what i was insinuating was that the police are institutionally racist anyway, therefore no wonder a policeman would come out with a statement like that.....you see now??

The other link was about the fact that if there was so many Nigerians defrauding the DSS the surely they would have alittle box saying "Nigerian" It would save time

I doubt the policeman he speaks of even exists.