[Update] BNP on Question Time this week

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

I am confused here. Are you trying tell us that racism, bigotry and prejudice has ceased in the United Kingdom?

Only the extreme examples that you mentioned earlier.

[Flyboy]

What? Being spat at in the street? Being told, "get out, we don't want your sort in here?" Refused jobs and accommodation because of race? Are you seriously trying to tell people that no longer exists?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

What? Being spat at in the street, being told "get out, we don't want your sort in here" Refused jobs and accommodation because of race? Are you seriously trying to tell people that no longer exists?

Why don't you try my time machine. go back in time, and then come back to the present to compare the two.

Or you can stay where you are and just dwell about the past.

These conversations are much more productive if people try to not get angry or emotional about it. Just avoid replying on impulse, remember the other person is a person and not a blob of text and be rational about it.

Racism is just one preserve of the thug and if racism was eliminated tomorrow the thugs would move onto something else because they are thugs and look for any excuse to exercise their natural tendency. Where the bnp are having success is the younger generation who seem to have no idea of self beyond the "woe is me and everyone else is to blame for my problems" and that number seems to be growing. What worries me most is the way amongst a growing number of youngsters values which have long been held dearly in this country mean nothing to them they see no benefit to themselves in having them or upholding them.

While racism is predominately a white to other colours thing it does go the other way and more then many would like to believe or admit and until we can discuss racism without labelling one group as being responsible for it we will never really address the problem or solve it. While personally i would love to live somewhere that valued all as people first and race\culture second i am not that optimistic of that happening anytime soon.

We are dictated too when it comes to racial matters many will not be honest about their true feelings on the subject as they are afraid to be labeled or judged by their views and again we need everyone to be able to be honest and then address the root to solve it. Media has a part to play and hate rags like the daily mail are not and have no intention of helping in this or many other areas of social discord as that doesn't make for good headlines.

I often wonder how much of an agenda there is with some of our media much of it foreign owned and maybe there is a campaign of sorts amongst their owners to diminish the true values of this country and get us at each others throats.

Racism needs to be bought to the fore and be openly discussed without condemnation or judgement on those who hold views others don't like we have to address the immigration situation which is currently not under control and we simply don't have a clue about how many people are actually in te country. That is not to say any immigrant should suffer ill treatment or deserves to be treated badly they have come here for a better life and cannot be personally blamed for that.

As with many things the system is at fault and those who control the system immigration has been too rapid and on too large a scale in some areas and has massively contributed to the rise in support for the likes of the bnp.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

We are dictated too when it comes to racial matters many will not be honest about their true feelings on the subject as they are afraid to be labeled or judged by their views and again we need everyone to be able to be honest and then address the root to solve it.

I agree with this.
we should have a nationwide survey, questions as to why you 'don't like them'

1: I'm a Kid/yob/thug that will call someone a paki, and throw stuff at them in the street just for the hell of it.
2: I think they get priority over the British people.
3: I own a Rover because I'm British.
4: They come here and want to change this country.
5: I grew up into the racist thing.

and then we should decide which ones warrant being called a Racist.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why don't you try my time machine. go back in time, and then come back to the present to compare the two.

Or you can stay where you are and just dwell about the past.

Gary - a bit of advice.

Set your time machine coordinates to pop all the way back to June 17th 2009 and have a little look - you'll find that just because you think it no longer happens does not mean it no longer happens.

Ignorance is not bliss.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Ignorance is not bliss.

I'm not ignorant. I know racism exists. but not at the extent of what it was in the 60's where someone describes, and to what I was referring to.

While there is no excuse, can there please be full reporting of the story in the press to understand the motivations of the assailants? The "justification" they are giving is that these are not working Romanian economic migrants but rather Roma gypsies in state housing....therefore another case where local people feel they are overlooked by the system in favour of a minority who are deemed not to have the right to such benefit..

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Why don't you try my time machine. go back in time, and then come back to the present to compare the two.

Or you can stay where you are and just dwell about the past.

So...is that a yes, or a no?

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Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm not ignorant. I know racism exists. but not at the extent of what it was in the 60's where someone describes, and to what I was referring to.

And that gives them the excuse to act as racist thugs?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I'm not ignorant. I know racism exists. but not at the extent of what it was in the 60's where someone describes, and to what I was referring to.

If, as you say, it's not as extensive as the 60's then perhaps you'd care to explain to me how the UK now has democratically elected members of the BNP?

There is a difference between the openly racist window signs of the 50's 60's & 70's and the current racist mindset. Not too many people in today's age would be inclined to express such feelings via a sign in their living room window.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Flyboy

So...is that a yes, or a no?

It's still the same as I said earlier. only the extreme examples that you mentioned.
you changed the question of is it black or white, to can you get it in black though.

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And that gives them the excuse to act as racist thugs?

No.
maybe they should fill out my nationwide survey.

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry

If, as you say, it's not as extensive as the 60's then perhaps you'd care to explain to me how the UK now has democratically elected members of the BNP?

Because it's there to be elected?

There is a difference between the openly racist window signs of the 50's 60's & 70's and the current racist mindset. Not too many people in today's age would be inclined to express such feelings via a sign in their living room window.

Pfft! call themselves real racists?

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Because it's there to be elected?

Now you are showing your ignorance Gary. The question was how, not why, they have been elected.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Now you are showing your ignorance Gary. The question was how, not why, they have been elected.

I don't know, how?
because there's so much hate for another colour, or there's a lot of resentment to events that have occured or are occuring?

people want the right to be able to put signs up in their shop window saying non whites are not allowed?
or is that just a false generalistaion of a BNP member that we tell each other?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Mr Angry

Now you are showing your ignorance Gary. The question was how, not why, they have been elected.

Because of this governments apparent policy of uncontrolled immigration for the last 11years, and the previous government too.

Immigration is fine, but it has to be at a rate were the new immigrants can be assimilated into the population without throwing everthing else out of kilter.

What you have now are areas where white people are in the minority, they see their identity slipping away.

It's not the immigrants fault and it's not the populations fault, but it's a fact. There is no balance, and the major parties failure to address this is what has let the BNP get a foothold.

It's no good berated these people for voting BNP, 90% of these voters are not jackboot wearing skinheads. They are normal people, who are deparately concerned about their future and deparate people do desparate things.

[Mr Angry]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I don't know, how?

It's a thing called the "electorate", something most democratic countries have. They do a thing called "voting" during a thing called "elections" where they pick a party candidate whose manifesto is most closely suited to their way of thinkingâ„¢ (broadly speaking).

Originally Posted by Gary L

because there's so much hate for another colour, or there's a lot of resentment to events that have occured or are occuring?

It would seem so, yes.

Originally Posted by Gary L

people want the right to be able to put signs up in their shop window saying non whites are not allowed?

Well you see, they don't have to aspire to that now. What the big boys do nowadays is vote for people (see above) to express that sentiment on their behalf through constantly re-hashed , revised and amended manifestos and constitutions together with the occasional soiree with known right wing racist bully boys during their traipses to Brussells.

Originally Posted by Gary L

or is that just a false generalistaion of a BNP member that we tell each other?

No Gary, most BNP members - certainly at party level, present company excepted, are too "dim" to either care about or know what they are supporting. That is a statement of fact which will doubtless dawn upon you and many of your fellow travellers (no pun intended) come Thursday night.

Prepare for enlightenment.


Thinkingâ„¢, when used in reference to the BNP and its membership, should not in any way be taken as suggesting rationalization.