Mansfield teacher arrested over All Saints pupil assault

Again we are wandering away from the subject gents.

[soicky]

Originally Posted by harmitage

Good old snipes. Playing cards are far more vicious than a ruler. Rulers will eventually bruise. Snipes with playing cards, administered correctly, draws blood. Lots of it in my case since I was rubbish at it.

lol, trust me from experiance after 20 or so turns you can get a large red line on your hand which eventually opens, thats when you hope it doesn't cut through your main vein.

edit: my bad maggy

[Jimmy-J]

Originally Posted by harmitage

Was that at school or were you trying out the S&M scene.

I wish! No, the slipper was used in primary school, if anyone had been out of order for the first time, they got to smell the slipper, and the second time they actually tasted it on the backside.

The cane came along in secondary school, and as for the belt, I was given that a few times at home. Oh, them were the days.

Update

A teacher who struck a pupil with a dumbbell has been acquitted of attempted murder and causing grievous bodily harm with intent.....

....Harvey had returned to work after being signed off with depression and stress for several months.

But the court heard he had been mocked by pupils moments before the attack.

He had denied attempted murder and causing grievous bodily harm with intent, but admitted a charge of causing grievous bodily harm without intent.

The jury at Nottingham Crown Court took less than two hours to clear the father-of-two.

The court heard that he shouted "die, die, die" as he bludgeoned the boy with the weight after the pupil swore at him.

It emerged during the four-day trial that pupils at the school were trying to wind up Harvey so his reaction could be caught on a camcorder being used secretly by a girl in the class.

The footage was then to be passed around the school as a way of "humiliating" the teacher.

Still no excuse for what he did, but gives a bit more of the whole picture

[Arthurgray50@blu]

He was aquited by a jury, and that is good enought for me, ok he should not have done what he did, But NO teacher should have to put up with the daily crap they take from rowdy kids, Ok its there job to teach, but kids do take the teachers to the limit and this teacher snapped.

[Hom3r]

If schools still had corporal punishment, I doubt that the pupil in question would have been the annoying thug/brat/pain in the arse/waste of air/******* would have been such.

It was stopped in my school, then we had all the "*******s" from a school which closed and all the pupil were school to the remainder.

These "*******s run riot and got away with it everytime, several of them had been expelled from virtually every school in town, and as such couldn't be expelled anymore. They made my life hell.

IMHO I'm glad the teacher was found not guilty. It must prove that people are getting fed up with these annoying thugs/brats/pains in the arse/waste of air/*******s running riot.

[alferret]

I'm happy with the verdict. My stepson goes to that school & I think its disgusting the way the kids in that lesson baited him into snapping. Also so much BS has been said in the papers regarding the actual event its unreal (but thats papers for you)

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I strongly believe that do gooders are to blame for this, corporal punishment HAS AND MUST RETURN to school, the cane, slipper, or ruler, before someone is killed, and it will happen, a teacher MUST have full permission to punish a child in school, l was caned several times in school, and if my dad found out, l would have the biggest hiding going, l was brought up to respect other people.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

l was brought up to respect other people.

You & me both arfur, I got the slipper on a weekly basis, my old head of year teacher Mr Pollard had a fetish about giving kids the slipper I think I was his favourite

But its true kids now days have zero respect for their teachers, neighbours or parents. We need to do something but in a PC world it aint gonna happen.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by alferret

You & me both arfur, I got the slipper on a weekly basis, my old head of year teacher Mr Pollard had a fetish about giving kids the slipper I think I was his favourite

But its true kids now days have zero respect for their teachers, neighbours or parents. We need to do something but in a PC world it aint gonna happen.

One very good reason for not having physical punishment in schools.

You do have serious difficulty with irony and flippancy, don't you ...

Well it looks as if British justice has prevailed.

So as I don't have a 6 pound dumb bell can I use
a hammer if I want to attempt to murder a child?

Also i do feel quite stressed but am not a teacher
so would that go against me?

[alferret]

Originally Posted by dgardner

So as I don't have a 6 pound dumb bell can I use
a hammer if I want to attempt to murder a child?

He didnt attempt to murder the kid, because murder in the eyes of the law is premeditated http://www.thefreedictionary.com/premeditated, so yea if you go hammer in hand and planned to then that would be murder, he didnt so thats why the charge was attempted manslaughter which is a different deffinition http://www.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter .


No one can take away whats happend or even know what was really going through Mr Harveys head at the time, but he was a well liked and respected member of the school team.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

One very good reason for not having physical punishment in schools.

Not really Flyboy. He didnt try anything and the fetish part is my assumption. Its needed in schools, kids know that can get away with anything and the worse that can happen is exclusion. Hell when I was a kid if I knew I could do what I want and the most I could be punished was to be told to stay away from school for a few weeks I could have been a lot more disruptive and a major pain in the schooling system. But I knew the limits of what I could do because the punishment was there. The slipper never really hurt but a ruler across the knuckles or 6 of the cane across the arse was a deterant.

Right now we have children with a lot of power over adults but adults that have little over children you do not need to be a world class brain to work out that will end badly. We all support the right of children to grow up safely but that doesn't mean they should be exempt from all physical punishment and some kids like it or not actually need physical punishment to keep them in line. I was one and speak from experience god how i would have loved growing up now the power i could hve weilded over adults.

We have to realise that if you take the punishments away you take the power to control away with it and thats what we have done and thats why we have a sizeable minority of kids hell bent on making peoples lives miserable because they can and there is damn all we can do about it. I couldn't be a teacher i witness what they have to put up with everyday living across the road from a large secondary school and if i was a teacher i would have a very active night life tracking down some of the little sods i see.

Most kids are and always have been good and a benefit to society but there is and always has been that small group that are trouble and if not nipped in the bud strongly early on will go onto larger trouble making as we are seeing now. I was nipped in the bud and i turned out a lot better then i would have had if the physical punishment wasn't there and thats the thing it doesn't always have to be a negative thing being physically punished and can be very positive if done correctly.

For those whose sole argument against physical punishments is that you allow some adults to go over the top, no you don't and those adults do it regardless and the laws have always been there to dealwith people like that you should not take the option away for all because some will misuse it because lets be honest there are some that will misuse everything but we don't ban everything do we.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by alferret

He didnt attempt to murder the kid, because murder in the eyes of the law is premeditated http://www.thefreedictionary.com/premeditated, so yea if you go hammer in hand and planned to then that would be murder, he didnt so thats why the charge was attempted manslaughter which is a different deffinition http://www.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter .


No one can take away whats happend or even know what was really going through Mr Harveys head at the time, but he was a well liked and respected member of the school team.

Premeditation can be as short as three seconds. He dragged the boy into another classroom and shouted, "die, die, die," whilst beating him around the head with a three kilogram weight. That says to me that he wanted him to die and that he had time to consider the act, as a reasonable amount of time had passed for him to think about killing the child. The man was charged with attempted murder, so clearly the police and the CPS believed there was sufficient evidence to support such a charge.

Not really Flyboy. He didnt try anything and the fetish part is my assumption. Its needed in schools, kids know that can get away with anything and the worse that can happen is exclusion. Hell when I was a kid if I knew I could do what I want and the most I could be punished was to be told to stay away from school for a few weeks I could have been a lot more disruptive and a major pain in the schooling system. But I knew the limits of what I could do because the punishment was there. The slipper never really hurt but a ruler across the knuckles or 6 of the cane across the arse was a deterant.

There is and have never been a place for physical punishment of a child in a school. Your rather flippant, although poignant, allusion to sexual predilection for such things, was all too common in some teachers, others just took pleasure in inflicting pain and having total control over someone.