kronas needs a woman !

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

If I'm unhappy with life, all those things are just escapism, a fleeting pleasure is just that, fleeting.
You're always left in the same state you started with.

To me, a fleeting pleasure is better than no pleasure at all.

And using any of those things to escape from things is dangerous, especially considering that the first two can form dependancies and in fact so can the third.

You see, this is what puts me off christianity, not everyone that drinks or takes drugs is an alcoholic or drug addict, in fact, I'd say only a very small percentage are. People get addicted to all sorts of things, I know someone who's addicted to mars bars! Are they evil too?

[Jon M]

Originally Posted by Bifta

To me, a fleeting pleasure is better than no pleasure at all.

You see, this is what puts me off christianity, not everyone that drinks or takes drugs is an alcoholic or drug addict, in fact, I'd say only a very small percentage are. People get addicted to all sorts of things, I know someone who's addicted to mars bars! Are they evil too?

I'm not saying that am I, look at my comment in context, it was in response to advise being given to someone that was most definately encouraging escapism. I'm not against drinking, I like a drink myself. You're reading a bit too much into what I said.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

I'm not saying that am I, look at my comment in context, it was in response to advise being given to someone that was most definately encouraging escapism. I'm not against drinking, I like a drink myself. You're reading a bit too much into what I said.

But I'm still trying to work out exactly what's wrong with escapism, taking it out of context again, everyone does something to escape reality, even you. Occasionally when I've been out in the past, got drunk and or taken some form of drugs, I've made very good friends that have enriched my life.

[Jon M]

Originally Posted by Bifta

To me, a fleeting pleasure is better than no pleasure at all.

To me, it's a sad life if drink, drugs and sex are the only pleasures I've got.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

I'm not saying that am I, look at my comment in context, it was in response to advise being given to someone that was most definately encouraging escapism. I'm not against drinking, I like a drink myself. You're reading a bit too much into what I said.

Pardon me? What's wrong with a bit of escapism???

As for reading too mmuch into what people say, check yourself out...

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

To me, it's a sad life if drink, drugs and sex are the only pleasures I've got.

I have plenty of pleasure other than those listed above. Kronas has none whatsoever, so he's gotta start somewhere, and these are quick wins...

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

To me, it's a sad life if drink, drugs and sex are the only pleasures I've got.

Who said they had to be the only pleasures? You're putting words in to people mouth's now.

[Jon M]

Originally Posted by Bifta

But I'm still trying to work out exactly what's wrong with escapism, taking it out of context again, everyone does something to escape reality, even you. Occasionally when I've been out in the past, got drunk and or taken some form of drugs, I've made very good friends that have enriched my life.

Interesting point, is it the making of friends that is the worthwhile element?
If so, do you need drink and drugs to make them? ( talking generally, not you personally )

[Jon M]

Originally Posted by orangebird

As for reading too mmuch into what people say, check yourself out...

Care to point out your reference there?.. or was that just a synical point score?
I'm fully prepared to admit if I've taken someone out of context or taken more from a comment than I should.. it helps if you actually mention it when I do rather than try to degenarate the discussion.

[Bifta]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

Interesting point, is it the making of friends that is the worthwhile element?
If so, do you need drink and drugs to make them? ( talking generally, not you personally )

No, people don't NEED to take drugs or drink to make friends, but there might be something about the first impression they give off, e.g. more confident, funnier, whatever, that attracts the people they're with to them, my friends know I'm not like it all of the time, they're not stupid but we all like a bit of craic when we're out. (well, most of us)

[gazzae]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

Interesting point, is it the making of friends that is the worthwhile element?
If so, do you need drink and drugs to make them? ( talking generally, not you personally )

When I was 18/19 I was quite shy, so when I went out clubbing I would have alcohol and sometimes take a few other substances, which I found relaxed me a lot and I could talk to strangers and make friends.

Now I'm older, happily married, still drink and still have the friends that I made when I was 18, in fact I was best man at one friends wedding a few months ago.

So what If i needed something to relax me and take away my shyness, its benefited my life a lot.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by orangebird

I have plenty of pleasure other than those listed above. Kronas has none whatsoever, so he's gotta start somewhere, and these are quick wins...

I think he does have them, he just doesn't realise it.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

Care to point out your reference there?.. or was that just a synical point score?
I'm fully prepared to admit if I've taken someone out of context or taken more from a comment than I should.. it helps if you actually mention it when I do rather than try to degenarate the discussion.

The point of reference is just about everything in your post #149.

Slightly pious, very sanctimonious and far too serious.

[Jon M]

Originally Posted by orangebird

The point of reference is just about everything in your post #149.

So which bit of my post was out of context or read too much into yours? Or was all of it

Slightly pious, very sanctimonious and far too serious.

I should have that as my custom text...

*done ( don't you just love the way the three "S's" line up.. perfect )

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by s1lv3r

So which bit of my post was out of context or read too much into yours? Or was all of it

... as I already said, just about all of it...