Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window - Page 107

colin25 · 18-08-2013, 14:52

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Could be, it's the board that does the.negotiating though and depending on wengers involvement it could be that he's shielding them again.

Btw I'm not an arsenal fan, I was a massive fan of wenger though and would.like to be again.

i am an arsenal style of play fan...at least wenger days...never did like the 1-0 version

**Damien** · 18-08-2013, 14:55

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Originally Posted by colin25

there is no such thing as equal footing, and the only way you can really do that, is to state that each team can only spend a certain amount of money. if they did that, so be it. Otherwise, it is pointless to worry about money.

The only problem with outside money is that it causes unnatural inflation in wages and transfer fees. These teams can afford wages they cannot be justified by the money in football and put upward pressure on wages across the board harming clubs whose only income is that they can generate themselves. Outside money is brilliant if it's not used for wages but instead for stadium improvements, training grounds and youth development.

colin25 · 18-08-2013, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Damien

The only problem with outside money is that it causes unnatural inflation in wages and transfer fees. These teams can afford wages they cannot be justified by the money in football and put upward pressure on wages across the board harming clubs whose only income is that they can generate themselves. Outside money is brilliant if it's not used for wages but instead for stadium improvements, training grounds and youth development.

But isn't any money outside money, except fan income?

Sponsorship, tv rights etc

**Damien** · 18-08-2013, 14:59

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Originally Posted by colin25

But isn't any money outside money, except fan income?

Sponsorship, tv rights etc

No because this is income earned via the game itself. I.E Other clubs can compete for that cash by finishing higher up the league. TV Income is shared pretty well in the Premier League too. There is a problem with a self-perpetuating cycle but if you look at a club like Spurs which have very slowly built themselves up on the strength of youth and smart transfers it can work. Ditto Arsenal building a stadium.

Personally I think the NFL is healthier with it's draft system and so on.

Russ · 18-08-2013, 15:07

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Originally Posted by Damien

. They intentionally become less competitive in order to finance a stadium which is turn would, in theory, have allowed them to compete at the highest level later.

If that really was the case they could save face (and possibly a lot of supporters) by simply admitting it and not coming out with such brown-stuff as RVP being sold for "footballing reasons".

That sort of thing has turned them in to a comedy team.

**Damien** · 18-08-2013, 15:17

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Originally Posted by Russ

If that really was the case they could save face (and possibly a lot of supporters) by simply admitting it and not coming out with such brown-stuff as RVP being sold for "footballing reasons".

That sort of thing has turned them in to a comedy team.

They sold RVP because he had a year left on his contract and wanted to leave. I would have rather kept him but Wenger clearly doesn't want players around the team that don't want to be there.

Arsenal aren't a comedy team. They've done quite well in preserving top four status without spending. What is what comical is this transfer window but there you go.

I still don't see the point. Do we want Arsenal to do better? Yes. Are they underachieving in comparison to their resources? Probably not. (City, Chelsea and United all have bigger wage bills). Should we be closing the gap by spending the money we do have? Yes. Certainly we should be in a position to lock up top four at least given the advantage we have over Spurs and we're not doing that.

History is just that. United could fall away at some point too, ask older fans of the club and they'll tell you about the drought they had for a long while. It's just what football is.

Arthurgray50@blu · 18-08-2013, 17:15

What always makes me laugh about Wenger, is that he is blaming the ref for the losing of the game.

Look at VP, he has done wonders being at United, who had he brought in to replace him - T.Hair.

I think the Arsenal fans are entitled to moan, l believe that Arsenal should sack him, what silverware has he brought the club - Anyone else would have been sacked well before now.

thenry · 18-08-2013, 17:50

Ok if you were Arsenal manager what would you do with a 100m transfer budget and 300-400k pw wage budget minimum. the position I feel need filling are GK, CB/FB, DM, AM and CF.

Arthurgray50@blu · 18-08-2013, 18:21

He has to go after players, just as Spurs have.

The big problem he has is that he is not thinking - he thinks that his job is safe.

There players out there that he can go after - ie it has been said that Defoe could be on his way out of Spurs, as Spurs are looking at another striker. He has to go

thenry · 18-08-2013, 18:30

he is thinking, just not the right way.

we need 5-6 players..

GK, there are many, Germany has been pointed out as having decent quality
CB, Williams/Sakho/Ginter
FB/DM/CM cover Flamini
DM Lars Bender
AM i cant name one really, I wanted Bernard but there are many still available, spoken of
CF Rooney

put that into our current mix and we've got a side that will push for the title.

denphone · 18-08-2013, 18:42

Gustavo would have been perfect for Arsenal but from what l have read Wolfsburg are paying him more.

thenry · 18-08-2013, 18:52

Den what the clubs incompetence have gotten away with over the years is criminal. they didnt even bid for Higuain when RM were asking 25m cash early on. thats a bloody bargain in todays market. I want Arsene to succeed but i have zero confidence in him addressing the issues at Arsenal. he's obsessed with his own vision which fails to address the required numbers of players needed to push on. it isn't a money issue, the money is there, the infrastructure is strong at Arsenal and is only going to get better. i really wish Dein was brought back and Usmanov was invited onto the board but Stan wont allow it, the old dinosaurs wont like it as well. all the bad words they were spreading about everyone else is coming back to haunt them.

Arsenal FC will be here long after these incompetent officials fall.

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Barca 6 up at HT vs Levante. Fabregas is running riot.

adzii_nufc · 18-08-2013, 19:00

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Originally Posted by thenry

he is thinking, just not the right way.

we need 5-6 players..

GK, there are many, Germany has been pointed out as having decent quality
CB, Williams/Sakho/Ginter
FB/DM/CM cover Flamini
DM Lars Bender
AM i cant name one really, I wanted Bernard but there are many still available, spoken of
CF Rooney

put that into our current mix and we've got a side that will push for the title.

GK: Tim Krul
CB: Mbiwa
FB/DM/CM: Tiote
DM/CM: Cabaye
AM: Hatem Ben Arfa
CF: Cisse

Hull and Crystal Palace in crisis! both lost on the first day of the season. We'll be in a major crisis tomorrow night too!

Heh, sorry, was just flicking through the last 7 pages or so.

iadom · 18-08-2013, 19:09

Barca 6-0 up at half time, Fabregas heavily involved.

colin25 · 18-08-2013, 19:09

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc

GK: Tim Krul
CB: Mbiwa
FB/DM/CM: Tiote
DM/CM: Cabaye
AM: Hatem Ben Arfa
CF: Cisse

Hull and Crystal Palace in crisis! both lost on the first day of the season. We'll be in a major crisis tomorrow night too!

Heh, sorry, was just flicking through the last 7 pages or so.

Have faith, i haven't ruled out a man city crisis