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[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Homelessness minister Rushanara Ali resigns after 'ejecting tenants and hiking rent'


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...a-ali-35694308

Socialists eh

I'd never call them socialists. But that doesn't mean that this is not a shambles. Surely someone including the Minister herself could see the danger of being both a landlord and homeless minister?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Homelessness minister Rushanara Ali resigns after 'ejecting tenants and hiking rent'


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...a-ali-35694308

Socialists eh

The Labour Party ……defined. The embodiment of slight of hand politics.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by Pierre

The Labour Party ……defined. The embodiment of slight of hand politics.

No different to the tories really just chasing a different cohort for their vote. Both lining there pockets.

[papa smurf]

At least 474 people arrested at London protest for supporting banned group Palestine Action in Starmers latest crackdown


https://www.itv.com/news/london/2025...ion-terror-ban


will all these people end up in the courts ? if so the system will probably be jammed up

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

At least 474 people arrested at London protest for supporting banned group Palestine Action in Starmers latest crackdown


https://www.itv.com/news/london/2025...ion-terror-ban


will all these people end up in the courts ? if so the system will probably be jammed up

I just hope any of them don't eventually get a custodial sentence, otherwise we will be giving more thieves, vagabonds and ne'er-do-wells early release.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

I just hope any of them don't eventually get a custodial sentence, otherwise we will be giving more thieves, vagabonds and ne'er-do-wells early release.

but but but surely people who write stuff on bits of cardboard are the real criminals

[Carth]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

but but but surely people who write stuff on bits of cardboard are the real criminals

Quite obviously so Papa. Back when we were young and carefree it was just laughed off as people being silly and attention seeking (or bored).

Nowadays we have to think of the harm to the children, we already have too many traumatized for life after seeing naughty things on TV and written in chat rooms.
I praise the Lord that they at least will not have to endure the horrible stuff we we were exposed to . . . Monty Python, Benny Hill, Kenny Everett, Fawlty Towers, Bernard Manning, It Aint Half Hot Mum . . gosh I'm sweating just thinking about it.

[1andrew1]

I think this should prove popular on the Forum.

Foreign criminals to be deported from UK immediately after sentencing

Offenders would be barred from re-entering the country under new government plans

Foreign nationals convicted of crimes will be deported from the UK immediately after sentencing, under plans announced by Sir Keir Starmer’s government as it seeks to present a tough stance on border security.

The plan builds on legislation introduced in June that will, from September, allow the government to deport a prisoner once they have served 30 per cent of their sentence, down from 50 per cent today.

That threshold will now be removed entirely, the government announced on Sunday, enabling deportation to take place as soon as sentencing has concluded. Ministers said the move would reduce prison overcrowding, cut costs and prevent reoffending in the UK.

The policy will require new legislation to be brought before parliament in due course, with the proposed law set to apply to both current inmates and those sentenced in the future, the government said.

The new measures announced by the government will not apply to offenders serving life sentences, including those convicted of murder or terrorism-related offences, so individuals who are deemed to pose a threat to national security or British interests remain in the UK.

Foreign nationals account for about 12 per cent of the prison population in England and Wales, with Albanians representing the largest foreign nationality group in British prisons. The average annual cost of a prison place is £54,000, according to official figures.

Government data shows 5,200 foreign national offenders have been deported since July 2024, a 14 per cent rise on the previous 12 months. The Ministry of Justice has also spent £5mn deploying specialist staff to almost 80 prisons in a bid to accelerate deportations.

The UK is in the throes of a prison overcrowding crisis, with prisons across Britain at about 97.5 per cent capacity.

https://www.ft.com/content/be182981-...b-7bf09da9134f

[Carth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

. . . 2 things taken from the text:

The average annual cost of a prison place is £54,000, according to official figures.

The UK is in the throes of a prison overcrowding crisis, with prisons across Britain at about 97.5 per cent capacity.

First, £54K to provide a prisoner with bed and 3 meals, so why is my pension only £12,500

Second, why hasn't building new prisons been on the agenda? overcrowding isn't a new issue

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I think this should prove popular on the Forum.

https://www.ft.com/content/be182981-...b-7bf09da9134f

… and what do you think about it?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Carth

First, £54K to provide a prisoner with bed and 3 meals, so why is my pension only £12,500

Firstly, your costs are lower as hopefully we don't need security guards to keep an eye on you! Secondly, your pension is largely determined by how much you chose to put into it, we're not a Communist country in which we expect the State to provide all of our retirement money for us.

Originally Posted by Carth

Second, why hasn't building new prisons been on the agenda? overcrowding isn't a new issue

The previous government didn't want to spend much more money on them but it's been on the agenda. The lower emphasis was probably because it was not a vote-winner. The current government is keener but they don't happen overnight. Maybe the media you follow doesn't cover this sufficiently?

Fourteen thousand new prison places, with a target to open by 2031, form part of a 10-year Prison Capacity Strategy to make sure we always have the spaces needed to keep the public safe. [11/12/2024

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/t...p-streets-safe

First look inside new jail for 1,500 prisoners [28/03/2025]

A prison the size of 39 football pitches has opened in East Yorkshire.

HMP Millsike has been built on land next to HMP Full Sutton, near York, and will house almost 1,500 category C inmates.

The Ministry of Justice (MoJ) said it would create 600 jobs and includes workshops and training facilities aimed at getting offenders into work on release.

Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood, who opened the prison, said it "set the standard for the jails of the future".

The government wants to create 14,000 additional prison places by 2031.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c204q2dw052o

Three prison builds green lit to tackle capacity crisis [16/05/2025]

Plans to build three new prisons as part of a £4.7bn spend will now go ahead after the Treasury signed off on funding, a senior minister has said.

On Wednesday, justice secretary Shabana Mahmood said the Treasury would fund “in full” plans to build the prisons, in a bid to create 14,000 extra places by 2031 to tackle a severe shortage.

More cells will also be added at existing prisons.

It will represent a total capital investment of £4.7bn, she said.

“While the Spending Review is ongoing, I can announce that the Treasury will fund our prison expansion plans, in full, across the Spending Review period,” she said at a Downing Street press conference.

https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/c...is-16-05-2025/

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Carth

First, £54K to provide a prisoner with bed and 3 meals, so why is my pension only £12,500

Second, why hasn't building new prisons been on the agenda? overcrowding isn't a new issue

Because your country doesn't want you

[Carth]

Plans to build three new prisons as part of a £4.7bn spend will now go ahead after the Treasury signed off on funding, a senior minister has said.

On Wednesday, justice secretary Shabana Mahmood said the Treasury would fund “in full” plans to build the prisons, in a bid to create 14,000 extra places by 2031 to tackle a severe shortage.

By 2031 . . pretty sure you can add at least 5 years to that.

£4.7bn spend . . pretty sure you can double that

oh, and I'm damn positive I'd never have afforded pension contributions equivalent to £54k a year payment - and pay no tax on it

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Because your country doesn't want you

Many a true word spoken in jest, they're certainly placing hurdles in the way

[thenry]

The independent review of the current sentencing framework published in February called for an increased focus on utilising punishment outside of prison to reduce reoffending, freeing up capacity in jails.

https://news.sky.com/story/electroni...laims-13409495

And what if said punishment fail. Will prisons be the answer again How many people do you want locking up until you realise you're the problem