[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU - Page 103

**Damien** · 22-04-2016, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Osem

So Obama reckons 'Britain is best when leading a strong EU'. Since when did Britain managed to lead the EU anywhere? When have they ever really listened to any of the reforms the UK supports?

Cameron gave the example of Russian sanctions but wasn't the initial common market a British idea?

Anyway I am surprised Obama went as far as he did today. That trade agreement line was pretty bad for Leave. People may resent interference but they'll still hear that line.

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Originally Posted by techguyone

British Empire ring a bell?

Is that a realistic model for our future?

To the ships boys!

techguyone · 22-04-2016, 19:20

It's not a realistic future but it was intended to illustrate to 'Bircho' that we have as a nation, done rather more than just ok before the EU was even thought of.

Mr K · 22-04-2016, 19:51

The game's over guys. Its a done deal, always has been. Although many moan about the EU, they think again when they realise how Brexit will personally affect their own prosperity. The leave 'campaign', if you can call it that, is a divided shambles. The polls are horrendously wrong again, its going to be an embarrassingly large landslide for remain.

Gary L · 22-04-2016, 19:54

And Dave will say something like "The Great British People have spoken...."

We're not Great. we're all a bunch of losers.

Osem · 22-04-2016, 20:20

I haven't heard the speech in full so is Obama saying the US would happily just sacrifice the trade arrangements it currently has with the UK in the event that we leave?

Gary L · 22-04-2016, 20:24

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Originally Posted by Osem

I haven't heard the speech in full so is Obama saying the US would happily just sacrifice the trade arrangements it currently has with the UK in the event that we leave?

No. Dave has told him that we are a bunch of idiots and fall for these threats and promises.
but to be fair. Big ears does look a bit uncomfortable talking to us about it. I expect he'll be told to piddle off home soon and to mind his own business.

**Damien** · 22-04-2016, 20:39

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Originally Posted by Osem

I haven't heard the speech in full so is Obama saying the US would happily just sacrifice the trade arrangements it currently has with the UK in the event that we leave?

He didn't refer to whatever existing agreements you're talking about. He was said that the UK would be 'at the back of the queue' when it comes to new trade agreements.

Osem · 22-04-2016, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Damien

He didn't refer to whatever existing agreements you're talking about. He was said that the UK would be 'at the back of the queue' when it comes to new trade agreements.

Well who cares then? I'd be quite happy with us being at the back of the queue for TTIP. That's what Obama's really worried about.

**Damien** · 22-04-2016, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Osem

Well who cares then? I'd be quite happy with us being at the back of the queue for TTIP. That's what Obama's really worried about.

Because one of the Leave campaign's arguments has been that leaving the EU will free us up to do deals with other nations, America being the largest example. This rather hurts that argument. It also adds to the weight of voices saying that voting Leave will cost you and traditionally voters tend to vote on the economy.

I am surprised at the ferocity of the Governments campaign so far. The last two weeks have been relentless from them. The leaflet, the treasury report, Obama's intervention. Any Tories who thought that Cameron and Osborne weren't really in this fight might be dispelled by now. They're throwing everything and everyone at it. I am not sure Vote Leave expected the onslaught to be quite his heavy, I think they assumed it would be a rather low-key affair. It's going to be hard to see how the Tories reconcile after this.

I wonder if they have anything else planned. It seems they've decided to go all out as early as possible...

nomadking · 22-04-2016, 22:08

Didn't realise that we weren't able to trade with the US without some sort of agreement.

Osem · 22-04-2016, 22:10

None of this alters anything for me and HMG's tactics don't surprise me either. There's a lot of powerful vested interests applying pressure who don't give a fig for our sovereignty or anything else. I reckon they must be seriously scared.

**Damien** · 22-04-2016, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Osem

None of this alters anything for me and HMG's tactics don't surprise me either. There's a lot of powerful vested interests applying pressure who don't give a fig for our sovereignty or anything else. I reckon they must be seriously scared.

It's not aimed at you (or me for that matter) but undecided voters. The idea being that there will be enough voices warning of the economic risk that people will vote to Remain. It doesn't matter that you think that logic is wrong unless other people become convinced it's wrong too.

Does it matter if they're 'seriously scared'? They're campaigning with everything they've got. I think it would be better for Leave if they weren't scared. Maybe they've learnt the dangers of complacency from the Scottish campaign.

Gavin78 · 22-04-2016, 22:49

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Originally Posted by Mr K

The game's over guys. Its a done deal, always has been. Although many moan about the EU, they think again when they realise how Brexit will personally affect their own prosperity. The leave 'campaign', if you can call it that, is a divided shambles. The polls are horrendously wrong again, its going to be an embarrassingly large landslide for remain.

I'm still voting out

Osem · 22-04-2016, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Gavin78

I'm still voting out

Me too. Enough is enough so far as the EU is concerned and whatever else happens I'll be voting out of something we were never told we were joining. In fact, the more people like Obama say it's a bad thing, the more I believe it's the right thing for our long term security and prosperity. It won't be without pain but what can we really achieve in life that is easy?

Gavin78 · 23-04-2016, 00:09

Cameron has called in all the favours he can for this EU campaign I'm sure there is some back handers going on behind closed doors. If he was so sure about the EU he wouldn't have needed to do what he is doing having to scare people into getting their vote.

He should be hung for treason selling his own country out and resorting to propaganda putting fear into those less fortunate.

Who cares what big ears Obama thinks he wont be in power much longer so sticks and stones idiot!!!