Football : Season 2009/2010 - Page 102

sherer · 21-01-2010, 13:52

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Originally Posted by LondonRoad

Had 0-0 written all over it.

It was a pity about the red card though. (although it was a stonewaller). It killed the game as a contest. Even if it was 2-2 at half time I think Blackburn would have had a chance if they'd still had 11 players on the park.

to be honest I didn't view it as a pen or a sending off. I think it was Samba who slide in and went for the ball and missed the ball by a less than an inch. The Villa player then fell over his legs. At no point did the Blackburn player kit or attempt to foul the Villa player.

This is the whole reason we have so much cheating and diving going on because a defender player football and someone falls over him we get a pen. A few years ago this would be a talking point at most and a decade before that it wouldn't even have made MOTD.

It is a physical game and to send someone off for going for the ball and not fouling anyone is rediculous

LondonRoad · 21-01-2010, 14:02

It was a foul inside the box so it was a penalty. He may have tried to nick the ball, but stretching from that angle he's always going to make contact with the player, and importantly, he got no touch on the ball. . Agbonalahor had forward momentum and was setting himself to shoot so there was no way he could have avoided making contact with Samba, or stayed on his feet.

By present interpretations Samba was last man and denied a goalscoring opportunity so it had to be Red.

I think the penalty is punishment enough in situations like last night. IMHO the Red card should be retained for the truly professional type of foul.

sherer · 21-01-2010, 14:06

the thing is the defender didn't make any contact with the attacker at all. The contact was from the attacker to the defender which is different. At best that would be obstruction, which I believe inside the box would still be a indirect free kick and not a penalty.

It is this sort of decision that leads to all the cheating going on instead of just getting on with playing football.

A generation of people is growing up listening to ex pros saying this and that are fouls and penalties when they know full well the players are cheating, exaggerating contact, or just falling over a defender.

**Damien** · 21-01-2010, 14:15

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Portsmouth only had 13 players at one stage pre season, they needed to bring some in just to make up the numbers, the likes of Danny Webber will struggle if released.

It's sad for people like him then but in the end if there really is no team to pick him up then he won't be long at Portsmouth either.

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One then possibly and at the time they were signed it wasn't poor management, which really gets to the crux of all their problems, I think the fans are entitled to ask what's happened to all the cash, I mean 25 million for Diarra, 17 for Johnson, 15 for Muntari, Defoe, Crouch, Distan and Krankjar went for millions, all the tv cash and they are still 60 million in debt, something doesn't add up even taking high wages into account, I know Gaydemak invested a lot but how much did he take with him when he left?

They are indeed entitled and they should be questioning the role Peter Storrie has played in these events. He seems to have been there constantly and had a part in this financial collapse. One possibility is they simply lacked the resources to pay for the amount of players such as Defoe, Crouch and the aforementioned Utaka they bought. Fratton Park only holds 20,000 people for example yet they were purchasing players well outside what should have been their target for a club that size.

You right though, they got massive fees from some of their transfers. Heaven knows where it all went.

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They might expect it but it's been 3 times now that they haven't been....

Each time they were eventually. The longest being last month when they waited over a week. Rumour is that this month they will simply not be able to do it at all. Be interesting to see what happens then.

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Originally Posted by sherer

A generation of people is growing up listening to ex pros saying this and that are fouls and penalties when they know full well the players are cheating, exaggerating contact, or just falling over a defender.

Van Persie made a point that players often 'dive' in the area because they have been unfairly obstructed by a defender. A defender will commit a light foul which slows the attacker thus stopping a break and denying a chance at goal. Either light shirt-pulling/arm pulling-catching the back of the attackers foot and so on. It's easy for a player to stay on his feet but it's less likely the penalty will be awarded so they go down to make it obvious they were fouled.

TheDaddy · 21-01-2010, 18:32

1758 GMT: Carlos Tevez shows no sign of letting up in his feud with Gary Neville as he describes his former Manchester United team-mate as a "boot-licking moron".
"My celebration was directed at Gary Neville," Tevez was quoted as saying in a radio interview with ESPN Argentina. "He acted like a complete sock-sucker [boot-licker] when he said I wasn't worth £25m just to suck up to the manager.
"What's the tarado [moron] talking about me for when I never said anything about him."
Full story: mtnfootball

**Damien** · 21-01-2010, 18:44

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

1758 GMT: Carlos Tevez shows no sign of letting up in his feud with Gary Neville as he describes his former Manchester United team-mate as a "boot-licking moron".
"My celebration was directed at Gary Neville," Tevez was quoted as saying in a radio interview with ESPN Argentina. "He acted like a complete sock-sucker [boot-licker] when he said I wasn't worth £25m just to suck up to the manager.
"What's the tarado [moron] talking about me for when I never said anything about him."
Full story: mtnfootball

Sock-Sucker? Translated correctly or......

TheDaddy · 21-01-2010, 20:11

We have offered Ruud van Nistelrooy a 100k a week....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/8473694.stm

**Damien** · 21-01-2010, 20:30

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

We have offered Ruud van Nistelrooy a 100k a week....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/8473694.stm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Looks like the new owners have money to burn! Not that he is a bad player but 100k a week

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West Ham will stay up. Just loan a couple of players. The other teams around them are much weaker.

21-01-2010, 23:09

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Originally Posted by Damien

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Looks like the new owners have money to burn! Not that he is a bad player but 100k a week

It's not as daft as you might think, Utd could do with him now.

punky · 21-01-2010, 23:41

Good to see Gold and Sullivan are learning from WHU's and Pompey's previous mistakes by saying they have £110m debt and then offering a 33 year old £100k/week wages.

Anyway academic as he has supposedly signed for Hamburg now

TheDon · 22-01-2010, 00:07

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Originally Posted by sherer

the thing is the defender didn't make any contact with the attacker at all. The contact was from the attacker to the defender which is different. At best that would be obstruction, which I believe inside the box would still be a indirect free kick and not a penalty.

It is this sort of decision that leads to all the cheating going on instead of just getting on with playing football.

A generation of people is growing up listening to ex pros saying this and that are fouls and penalties when they know full well the players are cheating, exaggerating contact, or just falling over a defender.

I suggest you go look at a GCSE science book, specifically the section on momentum.

There is no way Agbonlahor could have avoided being taken out by Samba. He does not have eyes in the back of his head, the first he'll have known about it is is when Samba's foot was wrapped round his leg. He had no need to go down, he was through on goal, one on one with the keeper. He was either scoring or being taken out, Samba took him out.

It was a stone wall penalty, and obvious red card. You'll never get a more clear cut decision.

sherer · 22-01-2010, 09:47

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

We have offered Ruud van Nistelrooy a 100k a week....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/8473694.stm

I also read that Stoke have had an offer accepted by Real.

He was a great player for us and wish we had someone like him at the club now. Would rather Ruud than the donkey anyway

punky · 22-01-2010, 11:18

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Originally Posted by punky

Good to see Gold and Sullivan are learning from WHU's and Pompey's previous mistakes by saying they have £110m debt and then offering a 33 year old £100k/week wages.

Anyway academic as he has supposedly signed for Hamburg now

DM are only 11 hours behind this time, bless 'em

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...rg-switch.html

Derek · 23-01-2010, 23:30

Ouch.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6999775.ece

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Manchester United’s controversial bond issue has cost the Premier League football club £54m, it emerged this weekend.

While I'm still amazed that takeovers Glazer style are allowed at all this is staggering, paying out 54 mil and still having a whacking great interest payments each year. I can see them having big problems in the near future.

24-01-2010, 09:59

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Originally Posted by Derek S

Ouch.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6999775.ece

While I'm still amazed that takeovers Glazer style are allowed at all this is staggering, paying out 54 mil and still having a whacking great interest payments each year. I can see them having big problems in the near future.

The sooner those leeches are out of Old Trafford the better