Global warming 'past the point of no return' - Page 10

hatedbythemail · 21-09-2006, 13:09

Hmm. The Royal Society is not overly fond of climate change sceptics and the oil companies funding pseuod-scientific organisations: "Britain's leading scientists have challenged the US oil company ExxonMobil to stop funding groups that attempt to undermine the scientific consensus on climate change.

In an unprecedented step, the Royal Society, Britain's premier scientific academy, has written to the oil giant to demand that the company withdraws support for dozens of groups that have "misrepresented the science of climate change by outright denial of the evidence".
The scientists also strongly criticise the company's public statements on global warming, which they describe as "inaccurate and misleading". http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,1876540,00.html

TheBlueRaja · 21-09-2006, 13:10

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So temperatures in England are on average 1 degree higher than in 1950's, snow is rapidly dissapearing from Kilimanjaro's peak, glaciers are receiding at their greatest ever rate and hurricanes are now more frequent over the atlantic than at any other time in recorded history.

But punky has a graph that says over "millions" of years (not the last 100) the Earth does this anyway so were all Ok.

You dont drive a 4x4 do you - or perhaps a BMW?

Oh and not to forget the direct shipping passage thats now opened right to the North pole itself...

Stuart · 21-09-2006, 13:13

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But punky has a graph that says over "millions" of years (not the last 100) the Earth does this anyway so were all Ok.

You dont drive a 4x4 do you - or perhaps a BMW?

Nope. I don't drive at all, and actually try and save energy where I can.

However, my point is that we don't know what was happening millions of years ago. All we know is what has happened in the last 40 or 50 years with any certainty. It is entirely possible that temperatures have risen that fast in the past.

TheDaddy · 21-09-2006, 13:16

The fact that scientists cannot agree whether the Earth will freeze of burn should tell us one thing, that things will not remain the same and we shall leave a legacy of extreme weather conditions for future generations, there is overwhelming scientific evidence to prove that this is caused by mans activity and overwhelming evidence that those that do the most damage don't give a toss.

ntluser · 21-09-2006, 13:36

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None of which actually disproves what I said. New Orleans, while a disaster, isn't proof that the world is ending.

We are seeing worsening weather around the world, true. Sea levels are rising, also true. However, we don't have enough data to say what is causing those things to happen. It could merely be a function of nature.

Not really, as without knowning someone for a lot longer than two minutes, you have no way of knowing if they are acting within character or not. You could meet me for two minutes, and I may be in a bad mood. You may then assume I am permanently in a bad mood, which may or may not be the case.

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TBH, I am not saying the world isn't ending. Put simply, I don't know. However, AFAIK, neither does the scientific community. Hence, all we have heard MAY just be scare stories based on an inadequate knowledge of the planet's weather systems.

I'm not saying the world is ending either. I'm reporting that there have been major changes which could impact negatively on our lives.

Ice ages are a part of the Earth's natural history. It's perfectly normal for the Earth to have Ice ages. However, if one did come it would have a massive impact on our lives and we are not even preparing for the possibility.

Similarly, sea levels are rising. Holland has made preparations. New Orleans didn't. The world did end for some people..they drowned. Many others no longer live in New Orleans as their homes were destroyed.

As for meeting you in a bad mood that's OK. It shows me what you can be like when you are in a bad mood and I can prepare for that possibility. So if you are abusive, I can follow one line of action; if you are violent, I can follow another.

Pierre · 21-09-2006, 16:36

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Global warming 'past the point of no return'

In that case, stop worrying and enjoy the good weather.

trebor · 21-09-2006, 17:10

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Does that mean they've decided whether we are going to have extreme heat or another ice age then? Took them long enough

Makes me laugh all this global warming. We've had global warming ever since the last ice age, which is why we are here. The earth warms up, then cools down, and repeats... Its been happening for billions of years, its not just going to stop now because humans are here. The earth has had several ice ages.

I find this graph rather interesting... And this.

The arrogance of certain groups to have control over mother nature never ceases to amaze me sometimes. Nature can't be controlled, no matter how many Priuses they sell.

Global warming is real. the questions are, why is it happening and is there anything we can do about it and even should we do anything about it.

the graph of the vostok ice cores shows a couple of interesting things
that there is a link between co2 and temperature and it appears to be getting more dusty. there was a program on the tv last night that was trying to prove a connection between dust in the atmosphere and lightening/storms, mmm very thought provoking stuff.

anybody know how the ice and snow is doing at the south pole?
because there has been a lot less down there in the past than there is now, so the white stuff switching between north and south poles.

gazzae · 21-09-2006, 17:18

We always hear how its the hottest day since 1920 or the coldest winter since 1940. Well what happened then to make it so hot or cold and why can't this be happening again rather than global warming?

punky · 21-09-2006, 18:09

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So temperatures in England are on average 1 degree higher than in 1950's, snow is rapidly dissapearing from Kilimanjaro's peak, glaciers are receiding at their greatest ever rate and hurricanes are now more frequent over the atlantic than at any other time in recorded history.

But punky has a graph that says over "millions" of years (not the last 100) the Earth does this anyway so were all Ok.

You dont drive a 4x4 do you - or perhaps a BMW?

And even if I did, it would still probably be more efficient and healthier for the environment than the guy down the road with the POS 15 year old Fiesta.

However, unless they had SUVs preceding/succeeding the last 4 ice ages* in the earth's 4.5 billion year history, then I think the periods of warming and cooling have more to with nature and not SUVs.

And no, I am not part of an oil cartels either.

*There has been 4 major ice ages in the past, however, there has been hundreds of minor ones occuring at frequencies of 40,000 to 100,000 years.

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Global warming is real. the questions are, why is it happening and is there anything we can do about it and even should we do anything about it.

I never said it wasn't... However, its a scientific fact, that temperature has gone from both hot and cold extremes in the past long before humans, apes, or even mammalian-like creatures ever set foot on the earth.

If we didn't burn fossil fuels nor use planes or SUVs, then the earth's temperature will still rise and fall as it has done consistently in the past.

hatedbythemail · 21-09-2006, 18:15

why is the royal society getting quite so batey if burning fossil fuels is an irrelevance. and why indeed do the oil companiues fund these cod scientific organisations unless its to muddy the research waters?

injuneer · 21-09-2006, 18:21

I see Richard Branson has just pledged $3 Billion to fight it, whatever the cause.

punky · 21-09-2006, 18:23

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why is the royal society getting quite so batey if burning fossil fuels is an irrelevance. and why indeed do the oil companiues fund these cod scientific organisations unless its to muddy the research waters?

Wow, in one post you have managed to libel thousands of research scientists that might for all you know actually agree with you.

This issue is addressed in State Of Fear. If research money comes from oil companies, then the scientist is automatically corrupt regardless of his reputation or what he actually researches/reports. However, if a scientist is funded from a leftist, pro global-warming agenda based organisation, then automatically you're above reproach, and the sun shines out of your backside.

SlackDad · 21-09-2006, 18:23

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I never said it wasn't... However, its a scientific fact, that temperature has gone from both hot and cold extremes in the past long before humans, apes, or even mammalian-like creatures ever set foot on the earth.

If we didn't burn fossil fuels nor use planes or SUVs, then the earth's temperature will still rise and fall as it has done consistently in the past.

I don't think those claims are in dispute, but rather the rate at which the changes are now occuring.

Xaccers · 21-09-2006, 18:25

Anyone got a cam cap for a 97 Citroen Xantia 1.9TD engine so I can continue to do my bit (and actually the bit of many of you) and get back to runnning a car on SVO?

Don't you just hate it when cam belts snap?

injuneer · 21-09-2006, 18:27

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I don't think those claims are in dispute, but rather the rate at which the changes are now occuring.

Yes, hasn't it been proven through ice core analysis that the rate of change has increased dramatically since the industrial revolution?