TiVo : Poor choice of Channels

[muppetman11]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I agree, passingbat. VM could do more with HD channels, but many of the channels Sky has that we don't are not worth a light.

Sky could offer 2,000 channels, but if none of them contain content worth watching, what's the point?

I consider many of the HD channels Sky provide that VM don't worth while , channels like Sky Sports 3,4 HD , Sky Atlantic HD , Nat Geo Wild HD , ESPNA HD , Universal HD , ITV 4 HD , MGM HD , TCM HD , Eurosport 2 HD etc. You may very well be happy watching those channels in SD and thats the individuals choice however some of us aren't as ever it's down to the individuals specific requirements.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by muppetman11

I consider many of the HD channels Sky provide that VM don't worth while , channels like Sky Sports 3,4 HD , Sky Atlantic HD , Nat Geo Wild HD , ESPNA HD , Universal HD , ITV 4 HD , MGM HD , TCM HD , Eurosport 2 HD etc. You may very well be happy watching those channels in SD and thats the individuals choice however some of us aren't as ever it's down to the individuals specific requirements.

I did say that VM could do with more HD channels in that post, muppetman. I agree with you there.

[Safcftm21]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Move to Sky, then....

Hugh - A moderator by definition is someone who presides over a conversation not one who offers opinion.

A forum however is a medium that offers open discussion so why is my opinion shot down just because you don't agree with it?

Mod's in my opinion should not offer comment but ensure that threads are neither offensive, libelous etc.

No doubt this will be deleted but as a member of a number of forums this one is by far the most regulated by mods who seem to be more interested in there own opinions and making sure that everyone complies with them.

Its also a forum that depends on Virgin Media existing, an exodus via lack of channels and/or price rise means Google Ads send them less money every month.

Originally Posted by Safcftm21

Hugh - A moderator by definition is someone who presides over a conversation not one who offers opinion.

A forum however is a medium that offers open discussion so why is my opinion shot down just because you don't agree with it?

Mod's in my opinion should not offer comment but ensure that threads are neither offensive, libelous etc.

No doubt this will be deleted but as a member of a number of forums this one is by far the most regulated by mods who seem to be more interested in there own opinions and making sure that everyone complies with them.

Erm, if if it is in bold, it is a moderating comment, if not, it isn't - or are you stating that Mods shouldn't be entitled to have, or air, opinions.

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My comment was in line with what I would do if I was unhappy with the service I was receiving from a provider (be it Gas, Electricity, Broadband, TV, or whatever) - whilst I understand that some don't have the option to move, quite a lot do, but seem to just stay, receive what they regard as inappropriate/bad services, and moan a lot.

btw, every one is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts, and your comments on the moderating in this forum is an opinion, not a fact (evidenced by the fact that your comment is still visible, even when you stated your incorrect assumption).

btw2, thank you for commenting on a post from the 13th October and 9 pages ago.......

[Safcftm21]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Erm, if if it is in bold, it is a moderating comment, if not, it isn't - or are you stating that Mods shouldn't be entitled to have, or air, opinions.

You may find this helpful - Moderation

My comment was in line with what I would do if I was unhappy with the service I was receiving from a provider (be it Gas, Electricity, Broadband, TV, or whatever) - whilst I understand that some don't have the option to move, quite a lot do, but seem to just stay, receive what they regard as inappropriate/bad services, and moan a lot.

btw, every one is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts, and your comments on the moderating in this forum is an opinion, not a fact (evidenced by the fact that your comment is still visible, even when you stated your incorrect assumption).

btw2, thank you for commenting on a post from the 13th October and 9 pages ago.......

Thanks Hugh for highlighting how long it's taken to reply to your original post, I have no idea of why you've highlighted it or added a smiley face. I personally found it patronising of someone of position on a forum but I'm sure you had your reasons.

You also imply I moan a lot about the services and service VM supply but again I'm not sure why this is this something that's wrong. Am I to assume that you only want people on this forum that have positive things to say about VM?

I also have no problem at all in any member of a forum taking issue with anything I say as that's the point of a forum, however my belief is that a moderator should moderate a conversation not influence it, whether its in bold or not?

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Safcftm21

...however my belief is that a moderator should moderate a conversation not influence it, whether its in bold or not?

So you do believe that forum moderators should not be allowed to post their own opinions and therefore be entirely silent and invisible except for when "doing their duty"?

Well I have to say that I don't in any way agree with you and that is the first time I have ever read of such an opinion in my ten years or so of posting to forums.

[mike_gain]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

So you do believe that forum moderators should not be allowed to post their own opinions and therefore be entirely silent and invisible except for when "doing their duty"?

Well I have to say that I don't in any way agree with you and that is the first time I have ever read of such an opinion in my ten years or so of posting to forums.

I would be inclined to agree but I have, on the odd occasion, seen discussions about the role of a moderator. Problem is that most moderators tend to be users who are interested in the forum topic and quite often have opinions on a lot of the subjects discussed in the forums they moderate.

Quite often these opinions are well informed and useful, sometimes they are emotive but I would rather have a moderator who was interested than some faceless "employee" who was not involved in the community and was just reading from a crib sheet when deciding how to moderate.

I would argue that short of preventing moderators from posting, due to human nature, it is impossible to have an interested moderator who doesn't feel the need to air their thoughts once in a while.

Stop picking on the mods. They do a sterling job.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by mike_gain

I would be inclined to agree but I have, on the odd occasion, seen discussions about the role of a moderator.

Which, on this forum, aren't actually allowed

I would argue that short of preventing moderators from posting, due to human nature, it is impossible to have an interested moderator who doesn't feel the need to air their thoughts once in a while.

Which is why, on this forum at least, any comment by a Moderator that is not in bolded lettering is a personal comment on the topic and not a Moderator comment, which would not be on the subject of the thread but regarding the rules of the forum.

Of course, when they start putting both personal (non-bold) comments in the same post as bolded Moderator comments is where the problems start. (As I found out from personal experience!)

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Stephen

It's not about being short sighted. Sky are sneaky.

Indeed. This is the same company that made a big thing of negotiating for the Sky Basics channels in good faith, then when VM lost them, Sky immediately mounted a huge advertising campaign (large enough that it would have taken weeks to organise, and they launched it in a matter of days) telling World + Dog that Sky 1 was the only channel where you could watch 24, Lost and a whole load of other American TV shows.

[carlwaring]

Correct. Notice how Sky basically lied in their advertising; saying that VM had "dropped" the channels!

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Safcftm21

Thanks Hugh for highlighting how long it's taken to reply to your original post, I have no idea of why you've highlighted it or added a smiley face. I personally found it patronising of someone of position on a forum but I'm sure you had your reasons.

I think Hugh was trying to lighten the mood a little..

You also imply I moan a lot about the services and service VM supply but again I'm not sure why this is this something that's wrong. Am I to assume that you only want people on this forum that have positive things to say about VM?

No, you are not correct. We encourage people to post regardless of their views on VM and what it should/shouldn't provide. In the case of pretty much every forum except those in the "Basement" (which is for general forums), we exist to try and help posters with their problems.

With that in mind, it is perhaps not surprising that a lot of members do register to complain about something, but we do still try and help.

Hugh's point is valid. If all else fails, there is nothing preventing you going to Sky if you are unhappy with the service provided by Virgin.

I also have no problem at all in any member of a forum taking issue with anything I say as that's the point of a forum, however my belief is that a moderator should moderate a conversation not influence it, whether its in bold or not?

The thing is, we don't get paid for all the time we spend on the forum. We do it because we enjoy it. Part of that enjoyment is actively participating in threads. We do, as a rule, try and seperate moderating a thread and participating in it. This is why we had the idea of placing moderator comments in bold.

[Doug P]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

So you do believe that forum moderators should not be allowed to post their own opinions and therefore be entirely silent and invisible except for when "doing their duty"?

Well I have to say that I don't in any way agree with you and that is the first time I have ever read of such an opinion in my ten years or so of posting to forums.

Thanks for making this point Carl. I must say it did strike me as a wrong view, if indeed that is what the view was....