Another protest against plans for a new mosque

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

There are, of course, other faiths in Britain:

... in Cambridge. And the local people are quite happy about it (according to the article: http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home...erans-club.htm).

I wonder if the protests against new Mosques has more to do with Islamaphobia than difficulty in finding a parking space.

Churches are also a problem with parking. Around here the police have finally started to ticket those who park inconsiderately across peoples driveways whilst visiting church.

I guess the resident Christians will not be impressed with me for this. About 3 weeks ago I walked in the church, up to the front and disrupted the service to give the vicar a note with the vehicle registration that I wanted removed from in front of my parents driveway.

It caused a bit of a stir, and some of the worshippers thought I was very ignorant for doing so.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Escapee

Churches are also a problem with parking. Around here the police have finally started to ticket those who park inconsiderately across peoples driveways whilst visiting church.

I guess the resident Christians will not be impressed with me for this. About 3 weeks ago I walked in the church, up to the front and disrupted the service to give the vicar a note with the vehicle registration that I wanted removed from in front of my parents driveway.

It caused a bit of a stir, and some of the worshippers thought I was very ignorant for doing so.

I'd have liked to see that. Apart from having to be in the church that is

[Escapee]

Originally Posted by danielf

I'd have liked to see that. Apart from having to be in the church that is

They seem to think that visiting church gives them the right to park where they like. I had arrived at my parents on a Sunday and wanted to use the garage/pit.

The funny part was that I was covered in grease and oil, with really dirty, smelly overalls .

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by roadwolf

Xaccers.
How do you know that 4% of the population is muslim, What census has there been asking about religion?. What about the ones that are living here illegally?. You seem like the sort of person that would roll over and let your culture + country be taken away, while you sit there looking for stupid reasons why it should happen. Before you come out with anymore of your rubbish about the pagan period or the catholic period, don't forget our ancestors fought against this to make the country a better place, for people like you to live in and give away to all and sundry. This has been a predominantley Christian country for hundreds of years but when people ask what i am i say English, ask someone from the middle east and they reply Muslim. They do not identify with a country, only a religion, They are only going to be happy when every one in the UK is Muslim. Don't you think it's amazing that (by your estimate 4%) can have such an impact on on the way of life of the population of this country.

The pagan and catholic periods certainly aren't rubbish, if you knew your own culture and history you'd know how they've impacted on culture since.
We wouldn't be the English we are today without that history.
The majority of England's populated past has been non-CoE if religion is your criteria (as it seems to be).
For over a hundred years we've been moving away from being a religious society to a secular one.
This is clear in our laws. In general society views someone's religious choice as personal, and people should not be compelled to adhere to one religion.
You're a christian and you want your religion to be top dog? Well unfortunately for you human nature doesn't work that way, humans get distracted from religion by other things, be they shiny gadgets or scientific evidence. Live with it. No one is saying you can't be a christian, it's your choice, and no one is saying you shouldn't be allowed to follow christian requirements (wearing a crucifix is not one of them incase that was about to come up - your religious ancesters should have thought of that when they decided what was to be included in the bible, complain to them).
The 2001 census puts the figure of muslims at just under 3%, with 7.3% of returns not stating their religion. So are you trying to suggest that all 7.3% are infact muslims who forgot to put that down on the census?
The ONS research states that in 2009 the muslim population was only 2.4 million, that means in 2009 they were outnumbered by 58.7million non-muslims.
So when someone asks you what you are, you reply English? I'd reply "What do you mean "what am I?" I'm a man, isn't that obvious?"
All your answer shows is you interpret the question as "What is your nationality?" rather than "What is your religion?"
As for those fools who believe they can one day turn England into an Islamic state, they're going to keep on being unhappy. The fools on the other side of the religious line, like yourself, who also believe muslims can one day turn England into an Islamc state need to take a reality check.

Originally Posted by Xaccers

No one is saying you can't be a christian, it's your choice, and no one is saying you shouldn't be allowed to follow christian requirements (wearing a crucifix is not one of them incase that was about to come up - your religious ancesters should have thought of that when they decided what was to be included in the bible, complain to them).

Well I never knew you were a Protestant Reformer.

While I agree with your statement that what constitutes 'Christian' behaviour is that which is found in the Bible, I feel compelled to point out that that is not a universally-held view. The Roman church places a great deal of significance on Church Law, as set out by the Bishop of Rome and his senior advisers, as well as the traditions of the elders (ancient saints etc).

I'm not an adherent of the Church of Rome myself but I can well understand why those who are, and those English who are not, but are sympathisers (often known as 'Anglo-Catholic'), would argue that wearing a crucifix is a central part of their religious expression.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by Chris

Well I never knew you were a Protestant Reformer.

While I agree with your statement that what constitutes 'Christian' behaviour is that which is found in the Bible, I feel compelled to point out that that is not a universally-held view. The Roman church places a great deal of significance on Church Law, as set out by the Bishop of Rome and his senior advisers, as well as the traditions of the elders (ancient saints etc).

I'm not an adherent of the Church of Rome myself but I can well understand why those who are, and those English who are not, but are sympathisers (often known as 'Anglo-Catholic'), would argue that wearing a crucifix is a central part of their religious expression.

Ah but roadwolf said the catholic period in England was "rubbish".

As I've said many times before, I'll support someone's right to practice their religion as long as it's within the law and doesn't harm anyone. My objection has always been with the deception that often comes with the public portrayal of relgions. But you know that already so we don't need to go over it any further.

Actually he said your analysis of the Catholic period was rubbish. But let's not slide too far from the topic eh ... ?

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

It seems that even muslims are against the building of mosques in some places

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/8608282.stm

That would be funny if they used them like out buildings where the SAS train in hostage situations

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Originally Posted by Escapee

I walked in the church, up to the front and disrupted the service to give the vicar a note with the vehicle registration that I wanted removed from in front of my parents driveway.

It caused a bit of a stir, and some of the worshippers thought I was very ignorant for doing so.

I would have gone in with a megaphone

[papa smurf]

i was recently working near a mosque [a converted Methodist church] the parking went from no cars to two abreast in a short period of time problem is the street is a cul-de-sac ,and is populated by old folks bungalow's ,so they are totally penned in during Friday prayers [that's the day i was there]
but the thing that struck me most was it all seemed to be a last minute panic not to be late, and that there where no women in any of the cars, are women not welcome in this House of god i found there lack of attendance puzzling .

[Xaccers]

Seperate prayer rooms for men and women.
Could you concentrate on your prayers with some young lady sticking her bottom in your direction?

Smaller mosques don't have the space for this at the same time.

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Could you concentrate on your prayers with some young lady sticking her bottom in your direction?

I couldn't. I'd consider taking up the religion though

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Seperate prayer rooms for men and women.
Could you concentrate on your prayers with some young lady sticking her bottom in your direction?

Smaller mosques don't have the space for this at the same time.

round these parts that's an offer mate

[roadwolf]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The pagan and catholic periods certainly aren't rubbish, if you knew your own culture and history you'd know how they've impacted on culture since.
We wouldn't be the English we are today without that history.
The majority of England's populated past has been non-CoE if religion is your criteria (as it seems to be).
For over a hundred years we've been moving away from being a religious society to a secular one.
This is clear in our laws. In general society views someone's religious choice as personal, and people should not be compelled to adhere to one religion.
You're a christian and you want your religion to be top dog? Well unfortunately for you human nature doesn't work that way, humans get distracted from religion by other things, be they shiny gadgets or scientific evidence. Live with it. No one is saying you can't be a christian, it's your choice, and no one is saying you shouldn't be allowed to follow christian requirements (wearing a crucifix is not one of them incase that was about to come up - your religious ancesters should have thought of that when they decided what was to be included in the bible, complain to them).
The 2001 census puts the figure of muslims at just under 3%, with 7.3% of returns not stating their religion. So are you trying to suggest that all 7.3% are infact muslims who forgot to put that down on the census?
The ONS research states that in 2009 the muslim population was only 2.4 million, that means in 2009 they were outnumbered by 58.7million non-muslims.
So when someone asks you what you are, you reply English? I'd reply "What do you mean "what am I?" I'm a man, isn't that obvious?"
All your answer shows is you interpret the question as "What is your nationality?" rather than "What is your religion?"
As for those fools who believe they can one day turn England into an Islamic state, they're going to keep on being unhappy. The fools on the other side of the religious line, like yourself, who also believe muslims can one day turn England into an Islamc state need to take a reality check.

Do you purposely interpret comments in the wrong way just to be argumentative. At no time did i state i was a Christian or that i wanted my religion to be "top dog". I am an Atheist. You claim a Census was carried out 9 years ago, I can't remember anyone asking my religion 9 years ago, also 9 year old figures are not really representative of now. I notice there was no comment on how the so called 4% can change other peoples way of life so much, I guess Islam doesnt recognise democracy, oh silly me, of course not, religious leaders decide what happens.

Wolf-man ... there was a census nine years ago, in 2001. There will be another in 2011. There's a national census once every 10 years in the UK and has been for more than 200 years now. The 2001 census asked questions about religion for the first time, prompting an internet campaign for people to put 'Jedi'.

If you were the head of your household in 2001 then you should have filled this in. If you weren't then you may well not have been aware of it happening. But it does happen, and it is a major source of information which Government uses for long-term planning.

Nine-year-old data is still relevant now because while populations do change, they rarely change so fast that data becomes totally useless in under a decade.

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by roadwolf

I notice there was no comment on how the so called 4% can change other peoples way of life so much, I guess Islam doesnt recognise democracy, oh silly me, of course not, religious leaders decide what happens.

It was such an insignificant part of your rant I missed it.
Would you care to tell us how much of the population have their lives changed by Islam?
Statistical sources would be of benefit rather than a guess off your own head.