Battlestar Galactica - Season 4 (US Timeline)

[Tezcatlipoca]

Promos for ep 15:

Can/Space: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMg1LmRoVdg

US/SciFi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odGRSKFFmPc


American air date is this coming Friday.

Sky 1 date = next Tuesday.

[sir_drinks_alot]

just seen yasaterdays episode very good indeed guess it's only a better of time before Brother Cavil and his cylons show up

Canadian promo for the next episode (4-15)

Link

Just finished watching Ep 15 - Ellen returns, and quite a bit is revealed about how the humanoid models were first created (and what happened to model 7).

[ZrByte]

Originally Posted by Paul M

Just finished watching Ep 15 - Ellen returns, and quite a bit is revealed about how the humanoid models were first created (and what happened to model 7).

Do you think model 7 may turn out to be Baltar? Maybe Ellen was somehow able to save one.

Unknown, but we know it was called Daniel and was an artist, it was also Ellens favoutite.

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The original (first) Cylon was created by Daniel Graystone (in the new Caprica series) - is it possible this may be who model 7 was based on ?

[cimt]

Perhaps he helped the final five create them new models of cylons? The original would of been over 2000 years ago, Caprica will take place 50 years ago? Unless I've got information mixed up, then Daniel didn't create the original. Unless you mean the original new model (Cybal/John).

[Tezcatlipoca]

This has all happened before, and it will happen again...


I think you're a bit mixed up.

The "Final Five" & the other members of the 13th Tribe on Earth were humanoid Cylons, and had come from Kobol (where they had originally been created by humans).

Two thousand years ago, the Final Five (& the rest of the 13th Tribe) died in the nuclear holocaust on Earth (started by Centurions they'd made themselves on Earth?).

The Five though were resurrected on a ship in orbit. They slowly travelled back to the Colonies, to warn the other 12 Tribes about the dangers of artificial life, but were too late - when they arrived (the time of the 12 Colonies' first Cylon war), the humans of the 12 Colonies had already created Cylon Centurions (with the first work done by Daniel Graystone in the "Caprica" series), which had rebelled against their creators.

The Final Five did a deal with the Centurions: the Centurions would end the war against the Colonies, & the Five would help them evolve by creating humanoid Cylons (the 8 models of "skinjob") plus would give them resurrection technology. [The Centurions had already been experimenting with hybrids, but had not managed to make humanoid Cylons]

The first of the "skinjobs" made by the Five was John (Brother Cavil). They then made the others, including one model called "Daniel", which John/Cavil killed completely.

John/Cavil then rebelled against his creators, killing them & then imprisoning their resurrected selves, followed by implanting false memories in them & dumping them in the Colonies so they could witness his upcoming nuclear holocaust on the 12 Colonies.



LOL, I had to keep pausing the episode everytime something was revealed, so I could absorb it & think back to earlier episodes. So many revelations in this episode!

I think though we still need more detail on...

What exactly happened on Earth 2000 years ago? I think it's at least been implied it was a Centurion rebellion there too.

What happened on Kobol to cause the various Tribes to leave?

When were the 13th created?

What happened to the original Centurions the Colonials made? What did they do & where did they go once the Five had made the Skinjobs?

and probably more things I can't quite think of at the moment

What Matt said.

Really, do not miss tonight's episode - it all starts coming together.

One of the best so far, imho.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Matt D

John/Cavil then rebelled against his creators, killing them & then imprisoning their resurrected selves, followed by implanting false memories in them & dumping them in the Colonies so they could witness his upcoming nuclear holocaust on the 12 Colonies.

I understand how they're trying to tie all up neatly but a few questions.

1) The skin jobs don't age. So why do the final five age?

2) I suppose we'll find out more but didn't the final five come from an Earth populated by individual cylons? so why would they resurrect?

I just get the feeling they're going to stretch the limits credability with this.

[Tezcatlipoca]

The Final Five & the modern humanoid Cylons are not the same. The Five were the last five remaining humanoid Cylons from "Earth", capable of procreation, and descended from the original 13th Tribe of humanoid Cylons.

Resurrection Technology was an *old* technology, used way back on Kobol, but long since lost. The Five re-invented/re-discovered it to save themselves, after learning of the upcoming nuclear apocalypse on "Earth".


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Mo's Blog at the Chicago Tribune has now been updated with a Q & A session with the writers of "No Exit", last Friday's exposition-heavy episode:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune....omer.html#more

Matt. You forgot the biggest question of them all. Who is Daniel?

He could be anyone could he not?

Great episode though

[Tezcatlipoca]

Some people think he may be the Daniel from Caprica (which he can't be, as Greystone created Colonial Cylons before the Five arrived at the Colonies - although maybe Daniel was based on Greystone like Paul suggested), some think that Daniel may be Starbuck, some think that Daniel may by Starbuck's father...


Then again... "Daniel" may have simply been created to ret-con the inconsistent/incorrect numbering of the original Skinjobs... ["There are 12 models", & we knew 1 to 6, & 8... Having the Final Five be numbers 7, 9, 10, 11, & 12 would have worked fine originally... until they decided to make them special, & have them be the creators of the other seven (now eight)]

Originally Posted by Matt D

Some people think he may be the Daniel from Caprica (which he can't be, as Greystone created Colonial Cylons before the Five arrived at the Colonies - although maybe Daniel was based on Greystone like Paul suggested), some think that Daniel may be Starbuck, some think that Daniel may by Starbuck's father...


Then again... "Daniel" may have simply been created to ret-con the inconsistent/incorrect numbering of the original Skinjobs... ["There are 12 models", & we knew 1 to 6, & 8... Having the Final Five be numbers 7, 9, 10, 11, & 12 would have worked fine originally... until they decided to make them special, & have them be the creators of the other seven (now eight)]

It's seems unlikely they would have made such a mistake though, the writers have proven to be very consistent in their arc.

[Tezcatlipoca]

They have been very good at making things consistent & tying stuff up (unlike e.g. The X Files), but some stuff - even important stuff - does get "made up as it goes along" (although there is still an arc, just not everything was planned out first like e.g. B5).


The importance of the Final Five, and later their identity, wasn't decided until later, well after they had initially decided that there would be "12 Cylon Models" but only initially show us the Significant Seven.

e.g. When it was later decided that the Chief would be one of the Final Five, the writers suddenly had the problem of his & Cally's child Nicky, who would now be a Cylon/Human hybrid like Hera... except Hera is meant to be *the only hybrid* and has long been deemed vital to the storyarc.

So... they had to "retro-fit" Nicky's parentage (RDM's words) by making Hotdog the biological father, removing the problem of having another Cylon/human hybrid.


So I think it's possible that once they had decided on the FF's backstory & importance, they suddenly realised "oh crap, that screws up the numbering" & created a 13th who would be No.7.


Still, it would be a bit of a red herring if "Daniel" isn't important in some way...