ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase

[Gareth]

Originally Posted by Kaychsea

As there is no charge if you don't use it and no set up charge it's a transparent cost. You get a box on the wall to use or not at your choice. Admittedly the cost is bundled into the TV package, but as it can't be unbundled I can't see what difference it makes, unless another package with a different telco is cheaper.

Erm, that's like saying you can get a free pack of crisps when you buy a can of fizzy drink from your corner shop... except the price of the can is £1, whereas the can on it's own at your supermarket is only 50p. If you don't want the crisps, do you still buy the more expensive drink?

All I can say is excellent move NTL

I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want the phone service.It's been far more reliable than BT ever were.In fact I only wanted the phone but had to have the full DTV to get it.

Oh well I guess I'd better upgrade from 300k to 1MB then.

[Charlie_Bubble]

Originally Posted by Kaychsea

As there is no charge if you don't use it and no set up charge it's a transparent cost. You get a box on the wall to use or not at your choice. Admittedly the cost is bundled into the TV package, but as it can't be unbundled I can't see what difference it makes, unless another package with a different telco is cheaper.

Obviously, that's why you can't order the TV service without adding a £10.50 telephone service then eh?
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Originally Posted by Incognitas

I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want the phone service.It's been far more reliable than BT ever were.In fact I only wanted the phone but had to have the full DTV to get it.

Oh well I guess I'd better upgrade from 300k to 1MB then.

Well, I'd like caller ID, but NTL can't provide me with that. Plus, I've never had a fault with my BT line.....other than the fault caused by NTL cocking up the transfer back to BT.

[Kaychsea]

Originally Posted by Gareth

Erm, that's like saying you can get a free pack of crisps when you buy a can of fizzy drink from your corner shop... except the price of the can is £1, whereas the can on it's own at your supermarket is only 50p. If you don't want the crisps, do you still buy the more expensive drink?

No, it's saying if you can find a cable/satelite service for less than ntl then fine, but the bundled cost is irrelevant as it can't be unbundled. If the example was a packet of crips and a can of pop for £1 it only becomes an issue if anyone else is selling the can for less because the shop , in this case, isn't selling them seperatley.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Incognitas

I don't understand why anyone wouldn't want the phone service.It's been far more reliable than BT ever were.In fact I only wanted the phone but had to have the full DTV to get it.

Oh well I guess I'd better upgrade from 300k to 1MB then.

?? You don't have to have DTV to get a phone line only...

[TheShadow]

Sounds good.

75GB a month is nice. Shouldn't have to worry about my, erm... Linux distros so much... anymore.

[jtwn]

Originally Posted by dezzo

Betcha people still complain about it though.

Yes, because its ****! I never had a '30gb' cap then, heres hoping to I don't know or the bill is going to look like the days of dial-up.

Anyway, heres to hoping 'the bloke in the pub' slips up some more

[Charlie_Bubble]

Originally Posted by Kaychsea

No, it's saying if you can find a cable/satelite service for less than ntl then fine, but the bundled cost is irrelevant as it can't be unbundled. If the example was a packet of crips and a can of pop for £1 it only becomes an issue if anyone else is selling the can for less because the shop , in this case, isn't selling them seperatley.

So, if every car manufacturer suddenly decided to group together and insist you bought a caravan with each car and pay £5k more, you'd wouldn't think that stupid? You could argue, I have a house, I use hotels when I go on holiday, but you'd still have to buy the caravan. The logic doesn't stand up.

NTL will give you their phone service on it's own, their broadband on it's own, but not the TV service. I'm pretty sure they are missing out on customers here. I don't want the phone. It's no use you arguing I should take the phone, the cost is hidden, because I know it's there. I have a BT line for ADSL which I don't really use except for incoming calls only, because I use my mobile for calling out. Maybe one day they will get rid of this stupid idea and I can start handing £40 over to them, until then, I'll settle for freeview.

[Gareth]

Originally Posted by Kaychsea

No, it's saying if you can find a cable/satelite service for less than ntl then fine, but the bundled cost is irrelevant as it can't be unbundled. If the example was a packet of crips and a can of pop for £1 it only becomes an issue if anyone else is selling the can for less because the shop , in this case, isn't selling them seperatley.

No, the issue is that you are forced to buy one item because you actually want another completely different item that the vendor is selling.

Other industries are legally prevented from doing this - you don't have to buy insurance from your mortgage provider, nor rely on printer cartridges from your printer manufacturer, etc... Personally I'd like to see the Fair Trade Commission investigate this. Just because NTL refuse to unbundle them does not make it irrelevant.

However, this is going off topic, so maybe we would be better discussing this in a separate thread.
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Nice analogy, Charlie_Bubble

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by Gareth

No, the issue is that you are forced to buy one item because you actually want another completely different item that the vendor is selling.

Other industries are legally prevented from doing this - you don't have to buy insurance from your mortgage provider, nor rely on printer cartridges from your printer manufacturer, etc... Personally I'd like to see the Fair Trade Commission investigate this. Just because NTL refuse to unbundle them does not make it irrelevant.

However, this is going off topic, so maybe we would be better discussing this in a separate thread.

The FTC have had years to comment on the bundled servicesand they haven't. There's nothing to investiagte. ntl own their network and can do with it as they see fit.

[ian@huth]

Originally Posted by Charlie_Bubble

So, if every car manufacturer suddenly decided to group together and insist you bought a caravan with each car and pay £5k more, you'd wouldn't think that stupid? You could argue, I have a house, I use hotels when I go on holiday, but you'd still have to buy the caravan. The logic doesn't stand up.

NTL will give you their phone service on it's own, their broadband on it's own, but not the TV service. I'm pretty sure they are missing out on customers here. I don't want the phone. It's no use you arguing I should take the phone, the cost is hidden, because I know it's there. I have a BT line for ADSL which I don't really use except for incoming calls only, because I use my mobile for calling out. Maybe one day they will get rid of this stupid idea and I can start handing £40 over to them, until then, I'll settle for freeview.

I would imagine NTL insist on you having the phone line with TV is so that they can offer free installation. If they were to offer free installation with just TV and kept the package prices the same as Sky they would lose money on every customer who decided to end their TV contract after the initial 12 month period. There is far less profit on TV than there is on phone and broadband (taking the BB abusers out of the equation).

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Gareth

However, this is going off topic, so maybe we would be better discussing this in a separate thread.

Agreed.


People, the topic is NTL's speed increase to 10Mb. Can we stick to it?

[Just William]

Originally Posted by ian@huth

A little bit more including 20mbit trials currently underway at http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/press/display.asp?id=797
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Apparantly a turbo button is to be introduced to temporarily speed up your connection.

Speeds any faster will require the coax cable to each house to be replaced with fibre cable as coax can only cope with speeds up to 12mbps.

[etccarmageddon]

why cant people open new threads if they want to discuss other issues such as unbundling etc - I'm coming to this thread to see if there's more breaking news on the 10m subject but having to wade through lots of unconnected discussion.