This NI increase for Social/Health Care
09-09-2021, 12:33
|
#136
|
cf.mega poster
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: At the Leaving door
Posts: 4,050
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth
|
Summed it up perfectly for me Seph, not much use to some poor bugger with a broken leg are they
|
|
|
09-09-2021, 13:33
|
#137
|
cf.mega poster
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14,343
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth
The Brexit dividend over three years would raise £48 billion.
What's happened to that?
I hate the dishonesty of this government. Of course I dislike the Labour Party even more!
|
Whenever I see someone's salary being benchmarked to the Prime Minister's in this fashion, there's inevitably a big straw being clutched at. The Telegraph rarely disappoints in this respect these days. Alas it's followed the instant opinion, zero analysis trend.
What would be useful to know is if other roles are being removed and the benchmark salary for comparable roles.
|
|
|
09-09-2021, 13:40
|
#138
|
067
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Middlesbrough
Age: 48
Services: Many
Posts: 4,690
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Whenever I see someone's salary being benchmarked to the Prime Minister's in this fashion, there's inevitably a big straw being clutched at. The Telegraph rarely disappoints in this respect these days. Alas it's followed the instant opinion, zero analysis trend.
What would be useful to know is if other roles are being removed and the benchmark salary for comparable roles.
|
IF the roles are required , then you need to decide if you're going to pay the money that's needed to attract the level of talent you require for the role.
Competition for candidates in certain fields of work is insanely fierce right now. I've had a couple of bonkers offers without even applying for roles.
__________________
Nerves of steel, heart of gold, knob of butter......
|
|
|
09-09-2021, 14:58
|
#139
|
Sulking in the Corner
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: RG41
Services: 1 Gbps; Hub 4 MM; ASUS RT-AX88U; Ultimate VOLT. BT Infinity2; Devolo 1200AV
Posts: 11,955
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1
Whenever I see someone's salary being benchmarked to the Prime Minister's in this fashion, there's inevitably a big straw being clutched at. The Telegraph rarely disappoints in this respect these days. Alas it's followed the instant opinion, zero analysis trend.
What would be useful to know is if other roles are being removed and the benchmark salary for comparable roles.
|
Oh Andrew - as if you didn't know!
__________________
Seph.
My advice is at your risk.
|
|
|
09-09-2021, 15:38
|
#140
|
Architect of Ideas
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,538
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY
I think we must be at cross purposes here. It is the tax hike that was not set out in the manifesto, not the NHS/Care Services reform, which was. And the tax hike was necessary because we have already spent many sackfuls of money on Covid, which was not known about at the time.
|
Debt is forecast to be 233% of GDP by 2060 regardless of Covid.
Structural reform and decisions about what we do pay for through taxation, and ultimately WHO pays, has been absolutely inevitable for some time.
I do find it odd so many arch-capitalists turn socialist in their 60s and 70s so long as they don’t have to sell their house.
|
|
|
09-09-2021, 15:46
|
#141
|
Sulking in the Corner
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: RG41
Services: 1 Gbps; Hub 4 MM; ASUS RT-AX88U; Ultimate VOLT. BT Infinity2; Devolo 1200AV
Posts: 11,955
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman
Debt is forecast to be 233% of GDP by 2060 regardless of Covid.
Structural reform and decisions about what we do pay for through taxation, and ultimately WHO pays, has been absolutely inevitable for some time.
I do find it odd so many arch-capitalists turn socialist in their 60s and 70s so long as they don’t have to sell their house.
|
I'll disregard your last sentence apart from observing that you malign people who have diligently worked all their lives to pay for their homes and have paid taxes to useless governments to protect their health and care.
Your words on structural reform make sense. Which political party could grasp this and tell people what this means? Btw, the nearest politician to have come closer is John Redwood with his flat tax policy.
(No doubt someone will say I was doing well till I mentioned JR - but at least I go that one in first).
__________________
Seph.
My advice is at your risk.
|
|
|
09-09-2021, 22:42
|
#142
|
Architect of Ideas
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 10,538
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
Labour leading in the latest polls. Not a mark of a coherent Labour policy - I'm certain of that much - but indicative of the challenge I've described. Nobody wants to pay for generations of cans being kicked down the road.
|
|
|
10-09-2021, 02:26
|
#143
|
cf.mega poster
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: At the Leaving door
Posts: 4,050
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
The cans have to get down the road somehow . . and seeing as there's a shortage of lorry drivers, kicking them seems a decent idea
I'm sure it's something most politicians have experience of anyway
|
|
|
10-09-2021, 17:30
|
#144
|
Virgin Media Employee
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Winchester
Services: Staff MyRates
BB: VM XXL
TV: VM XL
Phone : VM XL
Posts: 3,139
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
Hiring bureaucrats is typical. Happens all the time more money is made available because someone has to control how that money is spent and that someone is expensive. It also happen even more with Tory government, the civil service can't let them get away with doing something worthwhile so they will find a way to make it less effective without actually opposing it.
My grandmother used to say that getting rid of matron from the wards was a huge mistake. It moved control to administrators who had very different aims than running a ward well.
It's nigh on impossible to revert though. You'd need someone to monitor that it is all working better and those someones likely want to keep their cushy jobs and their agency in work so may not report favourably.
There is wastage in most parts of public service. But correcting it often creates more wastage in other areas and, for the NHS, patients will be the ones to suffer. You can't ask a sick person to wait until the system is working OK before they get treated.
__________________
I work for VMO2 but reply here in my own right. Any help or advice is made on a best-effort basis. No comments construe any obligation on VMO2 or its employees.
|
|
|
10-09-2021, 21:05
|
#145
|
Rise above the players
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Wokingham
Services: 2 V6 boxes with 360 software, Now, ITVX, Amazon, Netflix, Lionsgate+, Apple+, Disney+, Paramount +,
Posts: 14,620
|
Re: This NI increase for Social/Health Care
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth
The Brexit dividend over three years would raise £48 billion.
What's happened to that?
I hate the dishonesty of this government. Of course I dislike the Labour Party even more!
|
Actually, Seph, the government has since given more than that to the NHS.
---------- Post added at 20:56 ---------- Previous post was at 20:54 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman
Debt is forecast to be 233% of GDP by 2060 regardless of Covid.
Structural reform and decisions about what we do pay for through taxation, and ultimately WHO pays, has been absolutely inevitable for some time.
I do find it odd so many arch-capitalists turn socialist in their 60s and 70s so long as they don’t have to sell their house.
|
That doesn’t change the fact that Covid had not been factored into the manifesto.
---------- Post added at 21:00 ---------- Previous post was at 20:56 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman
Labour leading in the latest polls. Not a mark of a coherent Labour policy - I'm certain of that much - but indicative of the challenge I've described. Nobody wants to pay for generations of cans being kicked down the road.
|
The fact that Labour has, this far into a period of government where tough decisions have had to be made, only just scraped into be more popular in the opinion polls, is only news because it has taken so long.
Opposition parties always tend to be more popular in the first few years of a newly elected government.
The Conservatives certainly aren’t kicking the care home can down the road. They are addressing the problem, which is more than Labour have done in the decades that were available to them.
---------- Post added at 21:05 ---------- Previous post was at 21:00 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh
Hiring bureaucrats is typical. Happens all the time more money is made available because someone has to control how that money is spent and that someone is expensive. It also happen even more with Tory government, the civil service can't let them get away with doing something worthwhile so they will find a way to make it less effective without actually opposing it.
My grandmother used to say that getting rid of matron from the wards was a huge mistake. It moved control to administrators who had very different aims than running a ward well.
It's nigh on impossible to revert though. You'd need someone to monitor that it is all working better and those someones likely want to keep their cushy jobs and their agency in work so may not report favourably.
There is wastage in most parts of public service. But correcting it often creates more wastage in other areas and, for the NHS, patients will be the ones to suffer. You can't ask a sick person to wait until the system is working OK before they get treated.
|
The fact that the NHS must hire all these highly paid managers to tell them how to spend the money indicates to me that they didn’t need the money in the first place. Otherwise they would know exactly where the money should go.
I would be more impressed if they hired managers to work out how to be more efficient. Spending millions on private health provision and then not using it is just one little example of the nature of the problem.
__________________
Forumbox.co.uk
|
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 16:45.
|