The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 1

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Damien

It seems Sunak and the Tories are sticking with the 'we have a plan' and 'let's not go back to square one' messaging.

I wonder what polling they have that shows that works? It seems bad messaging to me when they've been in power for so long. Back to Square One? From what?

I think I speak for the vast majority of the population in welcoming a return to square one and what's the plan other than raping the taxpayer for the enrichment of themselves, chums and donors

Originally Posted by Hom3r

If I don't get the result I want can I demand another vote like remainers demanded after Brexit?


Genuine question.

Genuine question, you going to know what you're voting for this time?

Originally Posted by Chris

Starmer doesn’t have the New Labour knack for presentation but I suspect he’s far better at the detail than Blair. He is a lawyer, after all. I think partly it’s hard to define what Labour is now because it is in essentially the same place as it was from the late 1990s onwards. The Corbyn brain fart was an aberration to that same basic position.

Labour’s big difficulty is that the economy in 1997 was actually fairly decent and improving whereas now it’s in a mess. Starmer won’t seem like the breath of fresh air and he can’t work any great economic miracles in the first 3 years or so.

Blair was a lawyer too btw...

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Paul

Two posts already edited here.
Labour, Conservative or whatever, refer to them properly please.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...0#post36175330

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Isnt every election ? Seems like few keep all their promises, on either side.

None so BS-fuelled as much as Brexit.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Blair was a lawyer too btw...

So was Nicola Sturgeon, come to think of it

I guess you could at least suggest that getting to the top of the CPS indicates Starmer was at the top of his game …

[Russ]

That’s what I initially liked about Starmer. Solicitors are well-trained in leading their opponent unknowingly down a path during questioning, waiting for the right moment to strike and twisting them up in knots. In the early stages after his leadership win he used these skills to great effect against Boris who would be rendered unable to fall back on his “bumbling lovable rogue” gimmick, until his advisers trained him how to not fall for Starmer’s skills.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by Chris

So was Nicola Sturgeon, come to think of it

I guess you could at least suggest that getting to the top of the CPS indicates Starmer was at the top of his game …

Paula Vennels got to the top of an organisation but I doubt she’d make a good Postmistress.

Originally Posted by Chris

So was Nicola Sturgeon, come to think of it

I guess you could at least suggest that getting to the top of the CPS indicates Starmer was at the top of his game …

The main hope for Starmer is that he can be competent and hire the right people. You said earlier that he might be more detailed than Blair, but I think something that Blair and Cameron had is the ability to know the right advisors and then make calm decisions based on that advice. Hopefully, Starmer has that too.

The appointment of Sue Gray might be evidence of that. There are reports she has helped with party management and earlier this week there was a story that she had identified the biggest risks should Labour take government such as Thames Water collapsing. It sounds like an obvious bit of prep work but I am not sure some of our previous PMs would have done that beforehand.

Otherwise, Labour is really not offering that much. It's all pretty unambitious. That might be wise considering how little room they'll have to invest early on.

[Russ]

Didn’t Blair attend some PR course in America just after he became Labour leader run by the same people who advised Bill Clinton?

Starmer certainly won’t have that kind of experience.

Originally Posted by Russ

That’s what I initially liked about Starmer. Solicitors are well-trained in leading their opponent unknowingly down a path during questioning, waiting for the right moment to strike and twisting them up in knots. In the early stages after his leadership win he used these skills to great effect against Boris who would be rendered unable to fall back on his “bumbling lovable rogue” gimmick, until his advisers trained him how to not fall for Starmer’s skills.

PMQ gimmicks never last long. It always reverts to normal. Starmer still does attempt to lay traps for the PM and isn't bad at it but he has ditched the props he had.

Corbyn had the e-mails for a while.

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Originally Posted by Russ

Didn’t Blair attend some PR course in America just after he became Labour leader run by the same people who advised Bill Clinton?

Starmer certainly won’t have that kind of experience.

Blair was just naturally good at it I think. They all have media training but I think it's hard to fake that natural fluency Blair had. Blair was good at staying on message without sounding like a robot and repeating the same line. He was quick enough to adapt his answer to the question without going off-script and saying something he didn't intend to say when going into the interview.

Starmer has got better at that but he isn't a natural. He doesn't look like he is scared to death of interviews anymore at least.

[Dude111]

Originally Posted by Chris

A new thread will go up every Thursday morning. On Thursday 4 July we will have an exit poll thread where you can indicate how you actually voted.

Thank you Chris........... I havent ever voted to be honest........ I only vote in pols like this online,I love doiing that!!

Lets hope someone GOOD wins this time!!

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Dude111

Thank you Chris........... I havent ever voted to be honest........ I only vote in pols like this online,I love doiing that!!

Lets hope someone GOOD wins this time!!

I should hope you never voted you aren't in the UK and are ineligible to vote here

[Russ]

Of course he isn’t…

[peanut]

These 6 weeks are going to feel like 6 months with the constant repetitive news of politics and bullshit. Not even 24 hours in and I'm already bored of it. I'm aiming to avoiding the news till it's all over.

[denphone]

Originally Posted by peanut

These 6 weeks are going to feel like 6 months with the constant repetitive news of politics and bullshit. Not even 24 hours in and I'm already bored of it. I'm aiming to avoiding the news till it's all over.

If this morning thus so far is anything to go by you better hibernate for the next 6 weeks.

[tweetiepooh]

Until now I would vote for our local Tory MP but he is stepping down and the boundaries have changed. The Tory candidate covers a wider, geographic area or at least slightly different and supports policies that are more of a benefit to her older area than ours.


The local Tories have also given up on just positive campaigning, I don't care how bad the others are or will be, I want to know why I should vote for you not why I shouldn't vote for the others.


I don't want to vote for leftist parties. So it's a bit of a puzzle.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh

Until now I would vote for our local Tory MP but he is stepping down and the boundaries have changed. The Tory candidate covers a wider, geographic area or at least slightly different and supports policies that are more of a benefit to her older area than ours.


The local Tories have also given up on just positive campaigning, I don't care how bad the others are or will be, I want to know why I should vote for you not why I shouldn't vote for the others.


I don't want to vote for leftist parties. So it's a bit of a puzzle.

Understandable, but no need to not vote at all.

Why not one of the no-hopers? #AnyoneButTory